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[gizmo]

Hi Guys,

 

Let me get straight to the point. I have saved some cash for this new PC and i really need advice from you. My estimate budget is abt 5k. This includes a monitor 4K preferably. Would like to know the following questions:

 

1) Type of Intel Chip

2) Type of Motherboard

3) GPU

4) RAM

5) Casing

6) Power Unit

7) A PC monitor or a 4K TV

 

I would appreciate if you could recommend the type of trustworthy brands . This is for use in P3d and DCS.

 

Your advise is greatly appreciated.

 

Regards

[razo+r]

I7 4790k, 6700k is only worth it when it is cheaper than the 4790k

Z97 Gamer Pro, should be ok

GTX 980 or 980Ti, and if you want heat, you could go for R9 390X2 :D

16GB DDR 3 is enough for most things

Personally, i like enthoo, so check them out, my favourite is the Enthoo Pro M

depends on intel/Nvidia/AMD, maybe a 750W is enough for my recommended system

Monitor, your choice

[Demon_]

1) i5 6600K. You need a cooler.

 

2) Z170

 

4) DDR4 16GB (2X8GB) 1.2v, 3000Mhz or less.

 

5) Corsair

 

6)

Power: http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm

The good: http://www.thetechgame.com/Archives/t=5613293/power-supply-guide-the-good-and-the-bad.html

Made by Seasonic: http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/psu_manufacturers

[BitMaster]

1. fastest i7 you can buy

2. Matching Asus ROG mobo for your CPU

3. Asus ROG Poseidon GTX980Ti

4. 16 or 32GB RAM

5. Samsung 950Pro M2 SSD

6. Asus ROG 4k Screen

7. Corsair AXi PSU 800W or better if u plan on SLI

 

8. Watercooling for CPU and GPU ( Poseidon has 1/4" fittings for WC )

 

5k should make that, invest in some proper PSU and cooling and overclocking is a joy ;)

 

Details upon PM if you need those

[xxJohnxx]

Well, something I would settle for:

 

1) i5 or i7 fitting to your mother board.

Depending on your needs. If you plan to do video editing definatelly an i7. With the budget you have, I would go for the i7. If you consider overclocking (you should), go for the K version.

The boxed cooler won't be sufficient enough, so go for a custom cooler.

Either go for a cooler/fan from Noctua (http://noctua.at/en/products/cpu-cooler-retail) or go for a all-in-one liquid cooling from Corsair (http://www.corsair.com/en/cooling).

 

2) Definatelly an ASUS ROG board. Choose one that fits your needs based on the processor generation and RAM type.

From experience I would recommend against Intel boards. Have been dissapointed by two of their high end consumer boards now.

 

3) GPU definatelly NVIDIA. I would recommend buying an ASUS card.

The higher the number the better. Go for the TI versions if available, as they offer a respectable performance improvement. Using a single 4K monitor I guess it would be preferable to have a single, more powertfull GPU instead of two GPUs in SLI.

 

4) Get a decent 32GB packet. Doesn't have to be DDR3. Corsair would be my choice.

 

5) I like the cases Corsair offer. Make sure you get one big enough to house your GPU and cooler.

The bigger the better (usually). My rig has been in 3 different cases by now, as upgrading allways ment I was running out of space...

Make sure you have good ventilation. Invest some bucks into good fans (Noctua or Corsair) as well as a fan controller. Fan controllers can be choosen on your preferences. I have been very happy with a cheap chineese one without any digital side (no PC software) for a long time. Only recently switched to a more advanced unit for watercooling.

 

6) NEVER go cheap on the power supply. If it fails, it will usually kill of stuff connected to it. More power is better. For a high end system I would go for something between 1000-1200W. Corsair would be my choice again.

 

7) Can't really help you with the monitor. Consider that VR might become an alternative within a medium timeframe.

 

8) Make sure you have enough storage space. I would go for an SSD + hard drive combo. Install Windows and your games on the SSD (preferably on two different partitions) and have your files and other software on one or more HDDs.

 

EDIT: Seems in the time it took me to write this (had to split it up over a couple of brakes ;) ) BitMaster came up with a very similar approach as I did.

Edited April 18, 2016 by xxJohnxx

[Nooch]

New Nvidia gpus will come out in June so if I were you, I'd wait two more months... I know it's terribly frustrating :cry:

[BitMaster]

btw, Corsair just raised their warranty on all AXi ever sold and new ones and many other series to a full TEN YEARS !!

 

considering my AXi1200 was almost DOA ( fan sensor dead ) it is very nice to know I wont have to buy another 1.2Kw brick next 9 years :)

[txmtb]

New Nvidia gpus will come out in June so if I were you, I'd wait two more months... I know it's terribly frustrating :cry:

 

Yep, according to this: http://www.eteknix.com/nvidia-reportedly-stopped-maxwell-gm204-and-gm200-production/

[xxJohnxx]

btw, Corsair just raised their warranty on all AXi ever sold and new ones and many other series to a full TEN YEARS !!

 

Wow, thank you very much for this info!

[MegOhm_SD]

Check out the Coolermaster HAF XB EVO Test Bench. Awesome case

Not that I am biased or anything...LOL!

[Demon_]

Cpu= 82w (90% TDP)

Mobo= 45w

Ram (3w per stick)= 6w

HD= 8w

DVD (idle)= 5w

Fans (2-3w each)= 13w

Sound card= 13w

USB devices= 20w

Gtx980Ti= 250w

 

=442w. Why do you need a 1200w?

Edited April 18, 2016 by Demon_

[xxJohnxx]

451w x90% Efficiency= 406watts

 

Wait, how is that efficiency working out? Why is the total ammount of power less than the sum of individual components?

 

Considering that you don't want to run your PSU at the fully rated power, you would want at least a 600 to 750W power supply for the power specs you pointed out.

 

Then, if you limit youself to a low power PSU, you don't have the possiblity to upgrade properly.

What if you add a second graphics card, drawing anoter 250W? Throw out the perfectly good PSU and buy a more expensive high power model?

Why not go with the better unit from the start and have a reserve for a later upgrade?

 

The price diffrence from a Corsair AX760i to an AX1200i is about 140$. Seems much, but it will be more expensive if you have to buy a higher powered unit in 6 month, because you decide to throw in another GPU.

And 140$ more in a 5k budget shouldn't be to big of a problem.

 

Another benefit of running a 1000W+ PSU is that advanced units (like the Corsari AX series) won't even turn on their fan during normal operation, making them noiseless.

[agrasyuk]

I don't see any benefits of having grossly oversized PSU. Of the mentioned they will perform exactly same as far as noise - inaudible behind all othersystem fans going. pair of cards pulling 500W leaves plenty of W for the rest of the system with a 750W unit, with some room to spare for personal comfort. If you somehow manage to draw more then that it probably means something in your system is smoking and smoldering at that point .

Yes, gold efficient or better model from respectable manufacturer is a solid recommendation.

 

In this particular situation however it looks like budget is not an issue so I don't see it to critical if OP wants to splurge on not really needed things. With that if i had a surplis budget I personally would splurge on larger then needed SSD before going for larger then needed PSU.

[BitMaster]

Wait, how is that efficiency working out? Why is the total ammount of power less than the sum of individual components?

 

Considering that you don't want to run your PSU at the fully rated power, you would want at least a 600 to 750W power supply for the power specs you pointed out.

 

Then, if you limit youself to a low power PSU, you don't have the possiblity to upgrade properly.

What if you add a second graphics card, drawing anoter 250W? Throw out the perfectly good PSU and buy a more expensive high power model?

Why not go with the better unit from the start and have a reserve for a later upgrade?

 

The price diffrence from a Corsair AX760i to an AX1200i is about 140$. Seems much, but it will be more expensive if you have to buy a higher powered unit in 6 month, because you decide to throw in another GPU.

And 140$ more in a 5k budget shouldn't be to big of a problem.

 

Another benefit of running a 1000W+ PSU is that advanced units (like the Corsari AX series) won't even turn on their fan during normal operation, making them noiseless.

 

 

My fan never spins up :(

 

I have to run prime 95 and Kombustor with CPU at 5GHz and GPU at 1.5GHz to break the 600W at someof the prime95's iteration's, some draw a lot less power than other primes.

 

AKA, in DCS and 450W I am 150W away from spinning a fan blade :)

 

 

With 40-50% max load the system is right at the sweet spot, I could add another 980 with another 250W's in OC and just top out a bit over 50-55% while gaming, in test mode that would mean 850+, but that never happens in RL gaming.

 

 

Aim for a 40-50% load is my advice too, best u can do

[Demon_]

Wait, how is that efficiency working out? Why is the total ammount of power less than the sum of individual components?

Rectification, the TDP (utilization) is for the cpu. Because the cpu don't run at 100% load all the time. You can find this equation in every good calculator.

With a 650w psu, you are at 68% (442w) of the max load.

 

Considering that you don't want to run your PSU at the fully rated power, you would want at least a 600 to 750W power supply

for the power specs you pointed out.

 

As long as you are in the range of the high efficiency (40% to 80% of the max load).

 

My system needs 615w, my Seasonic X-850w is totally noiseless. I'm at 72% of the max load. 89% efficiency.

Corsair AX850 is based on the Seasonic X-Series platform and for all intensive purposes.

 

Then, if you limit youself to a low power PSU, you don't have the possiblity to upgrade properly.

What if you add a second graphics card, drawing anoter 250W? Throw out the perfectly good PSU and buy a more expensive

high power model?

Why not go with the better unit from the start and have a reserve for a later upgrade?

 

Agree. This is why you should know what you want, one or two video card.

550-650w bronze certification for one video card.

750-850w gold cert for two video cards.

Edited April 18, 2016 by Demon_

[xxJohnxx]

Rectification, the TDP (utilization) is for the cpu. Because the cpu don't run at 100% load all the time. You can find this equation in every good calculator.

With a 650w psu, your are at 68% (442w) of the max load.

 

Okay, the way you have it now makes more sense. Yeah, utilization is always a factor to have in mind. Outside of benchmarks and rendering you will probably never run either CPU or GPU on a 100% load.

 

Agree. This is why you should know what you want, one or two video card.

550-650w bronze certification for one video card.

750-850w gold cert for two video cards.

 

Fair enough. Though you won't always know what upgrading you will do in the future. :thumbup:

[gizmo]

Guys,

 

What MOBO would you recommend?

 

MSI X99A Godlike Gaming Carbon

or

Asus Rampage V Extreme /U3.1

 

Regards

[Demon_]

Those are socket 2011.

[TMatzelle60]

First, Please don't think having a more Efficient PSU will mean its a better PSU. Also most people who do get higher wattage is because of when the fan will turn on and all. 650 would be great for you even lower

 

550 G2 by EVGA which is a great psu made by leadex.

If you want more 650 P2 Same company and made by same company

 

A good quality unit will put out its rated wattage

[Hadwell]

also just because you have a 1200w psu, doesn't mean it's constantly drawing 1200w... if you can afford a 5000w psu, go ahead, if your hardware only draws 400w, the psu will just be sitting there barely doing anything, nice and cool and probably never fail you till the caps eventually die 60 years from now....

 

and all the talk about efficiency.... how many years of leaving your computer on 24/7 at full load would it take before it saved you enough money to buy a meal at mc donalds?

Edited April 25, 2016 by Hadwell

[Demon_]

[BitMaster]

First, Please don't think having a more Efficient PSU will mean its a better PSU. Also most people who do get higher wattage is because of when the fan will turn on and all. 650 would be great for you even lower

 

550 G2 by EVGA which is a great psu made by leadex.

If you want more 650 P2 Same company and made by same company

 

A good quality unit will put out its rated wattage

 

 

 

no, its cuz at 50% load it has a 90+ eff. and as a side effect of this it remains at zero dbA

throughout the aimed usage.

 

 

Sure 550 is enough for a 450W PC,sure, sure ..it just wont last long and wont oc good if at all.

 

It will also save you some money on the annual heating cost as it will run hot, at maybe 75% eff then when baked, that's a lot of heating for PC hardware ;)

 

 

It will not put out its rated wattage very long, run a 550W at 550W and it wont take long until it goes up in smoke and takes most of your HW with it to Nirvana.

 

 

Some advices are just plain false and dangerous !

[agrasyuk]

 

Sure 550 is enough for a 450W PC,sure, sure ..it just wont last long and wont oc good

 

It will last exactly as long (minus any irregularities in particular set of parts). System will OC in exactly same way.

550W quality unit from respectable manufacturer will output 550w all day long without any problem because it was engineered exactly for that task (with some headroom even). And if somehow you do happen to owerdraw beyound what unit can take thermal and/or overcurrent protection will kick in.

 

If you want to have overkill PSU , go at it. I also at a times will splurge on parts that are over-specced . But let's not get overly dramatic about it , there is no absolute need or danger.