How do I find the homebase?

[Gaizokubanou]

I basically know how to fly and shoot the weapons on A-10 and some basic tips on how to avoid sams and etc, but I still don't know how to find my way back to the airfield after I destroy stuff. I mean, I can find my way back using the map, but I think that's sort of cheating and I'm sure there are ways of finding my way back home, right? Could someone help me understand those numbers that control tower and awac tells me when I request for landing, and how to properly navigate without using the map?

[Disso]

You definitely haven't gone through all the A-10 training tracks then.

 

In the tutorial/training section, there are tracks specifially for the A-10 that teach you how to navigate and reach waypoints using the aircraft's instruments alone.

 

Watch through those and go through the manual.

[bogusheadbox]

But for better help than the wrist slap of a response above.

 

Pressing 1 will put you into "enroute" mode. That will show you on the hud and instruments the direction to the nearest waypoint. You can cycle through these way point (if there are more than one) by pressing the "tilde" key.

Pressing 1 again will put you onto "return mode" This will guide you back to the selected base approach way point. You can cycle through bases by pressing the "Tilde" key.

Pressing 1 again will put you onto "Landing Mode". This will usually self select from "return mode" once you have hit the waypoint from "return mode" But you can select it yourself if you want a different approach. "Landing mode" will activate ILS and guide you up on the glide slope.

The previous poster is correct in that the tutorials do explain it adequately. And i would defeintley visit them to get more experience in using the nav point systems. However the tone of the previous poster came over as eletish and condescending. You question is valid and his response should have been more accomodating.

Happy flying

[Shaman]

You can always ask for vectors home.

Press \ and go through comms menu to ask for vectors towards homeplate.

[Guest Cali]

But for better help than the wrist slap of a response above.

 

Pressing 1 will put you into "enroute" mode. That will show you on the hud and instruments the direction to the nearest waypoint. You can cycle through these way point (if there are more than one) by pressing the "tilde" key.

Pressing 1 again will put you onto "return mode" This will guide you back to the selected base approach way point. You can cycle through bases by pressing the "Tilde" key.

Pressing 1 again will put you onto "Landing Mode". This will usually self select from "return mode" once you have hit the waypoint from "return mode" But you can select it yourself if you want a different approach. "Landing mode" will activate ILS and guide you up on the glide slope.

The previous poster is correct in that the tutorials do explain it adequately. And i would defeintley visit them to get more experience in using the nav point systems. However the tone of the previous poster came over as eletish and condescending. You question is valid and his response should have been more accomodating.

Happy flying

 

 

I think Disso responded correctly, He didn't call him any names. He just sent him in the right direction. Maybe he didn't know a lot about the Nav system in the A-10. Many people come on here and ask question that the tutorial/training section clearly teaches you. People need to go thru them they aren't there just to take up space. They will help you out in many ways. I understand new people need help and maybe he didn't know about the tutorial/training section....now he does. The tone of his post hmm....I didn't see anything wrong with it.

 

Good on you Disso

[Ironhand]

I basically know how to fly and shoot the weapons on A-10 ...but I still don't know how to find my way back to the airfield after I destroy stuff...how to properly navigate without using the map?

Since you're specifically asking about the A-10, as already noted by others, the default Nav mode is "Enroute. This is the mode you are in when you first enter the A-10's cockpit. It's also the mode you're in when you are in any other mode (eg: A2G, A2A, Return) and press the "1" key.

 

The A-10 (and the F-15) has two Nav modes: Enroute and Return. You enter the Return nav mode by pressing the "1" key a 2nd time. You'll know that you're in it because the HUD waypoint readout will switch to the #2 in the lower right corner info block. Also the ILS needles will come live on the ADI (even though you aren't anywhere near the base). So just line up the tadpole, the 2 small double lines, and the small triangle in the HUD center bottom and you're heading home.

 

The waypoint you are being taken to is for a short final. You will not have a long glide slope to follow as you do in the RUSFOR aircraft. So I would definitely not arrive there at the high altitude dictated when you call INBOUND.

 

Speaking of calling INBOUND. You will get a response such as: Enfield 11, Control, fly heading 316 for 56 at 8000."

• Enfield 11--You
  
• Control--Controller
  
• Fly heading 316--Line up the tadpole, triangle and small double vertical line about midway between 31 (310) and 32 (320) on the heading tape.
  
• For 56--the range to the landing WP is 56 nautical miles
  
• at 8000--at an altitude of 8000 feet.
  

 

A further note on calling INBOUND. Be careful when you use it. That call will get you directions to the NEAREST friendly or neutral airbase which may or may not be your home base. A friendly airbase is one from which your coalition's aircraft are scheduled to takeoff. A neutral airbase is defined as one from which NO flights are scheduled. But I've seen missions designed with AD assets around them. When you call inbound and receive directions to a base other than the one you were briefed to land at, your NAV data is updated for the new base. If you're watching the HSI when you make the call, you'll see the needles shift to the new direction when the controller completes his response.

 

One last note, in the A-10 you cannot cycle through airbases with the tilde key while in Return mode as someone mentioned above. The only way to get a different airbase is by calling INBOUND. But that will get you the nearest base as noted above.

 

Rich

[Gaizokubanou]

Thanks guys, I just went through the tutorial after reading the replies and I really appreciate the replies since they clear up some of the stuff (especially about how INBOUND can give me direction to "neutral" airbase with enemy AD :) ).

[bogusheadbox]

I understand what you are saying Cali. But i disagree. I interpreted the post as a wrist slap. And if i interpreted it that way, i am sure others could as well.

I did say in my post that what Disso said is correct.

But please remember that you and I both know where the manual and training section is. We also both know that some of the training modules since 1.12a patch no longer work as intended. One for instance sees my plane careering into a mountain while the tutorail continues in written dialogue.

Therefore its no wonder that some new to the game have trepidations towards certain areas. And to be frank, more concise answers can be found online in message boards much more readily than trolling through the manual and training sequences.

The simming community is a small fraternity. Our genre suffers from the relatively small sales compared to other gaming genre's due to smaller budgets and monetary constraints.

So my point is. Instead of being stern / abrupt / rude / obnoxious (choose which is applicaple). Why not try to encourage new members to our area of enjoyment with helpful and friendly comments instead of the sterile and cold "Well you haven't read the manua thenl" responses that typically scares many newbies away.

Heck, its not as if there is a small learning curve to begin with. Adding to the frustration by dissuading a newcommer to asking questions will only make them more prone to give up on the title. In the end that will hurt us directly as a player.

Give new guys a break. Be friendly, helpful and polite. That is all I ask. Not a lot is it ?

Just remember you were a noob too once.

[Outlaw24]

I understand what you are saying Cali. But i disagree. I interpreted the post as a wrist slap. And if i interpreted it that way, i am sure others could as well.

I did say in my post that what Disso said is correct.

But please remember that you and I both know where the manual and training section is. We also both know that some of the training modules since 1.12a patch no longer work as intended. One for instance sees my plane careering into a mountain while the tutorail continues in written dialogue.

Therefore its no wonder that some new to the game have trepidations towards certain areas. And to be frank, more concise answers can be found online in message boards much more readily than trolling through the manual and training sequences.

The simming community is a small fraternity. Our genre suffers from the relatively small sales compared to other gaming genre's due to smaller budgets and monetary constraints.

So my point is. Instead of being stern / abrupt / rude / obnoxious (choose which is applicaple). Why not try to encourage new members to our area of enjoyment with helpful and friendly comments instead of the sterile and cold "Well you haven't read the manua thenl" responses that typically scares many newbies away.

Heck, its not as if there is a small learning curve to begin with. Adding to the frustration by dissuading a newcommer to asking questions will only make them more prone to give up on the title. In the end that will hurt us directly as a player.

Give new guys a break. Be friendly, helpful and polite. That is all I ask. Not a lot is it ?

Just remember you were a noob too once.

 

 

Excellent post, I'm in totally agree with you!

[WhiskeyRomeo]

So my point is. Instead of being stern / abrupt / rude / obnoxious (choose which is applicaple). Why not try to encourage new members to our area of enjoyment with helpful and friendly comments instead of the sterile and cold "Well you haven't read the manual then" responses that typically scares many newbies away.

Heck, its not as if there is a small learning curve to begin with. Adding to the frustration by dissuading a newcommer to asking questions will only make them more prone to give up on the title. In the end that will hurt us directly as a player.

Give new guys a break. Be friendly, helpful and polite. That is all I ask. Not a lot is it ?

Just remember you were a noob too once.

Well said. :thumbup:

 

Yes - the tutorials are important. And so is the manual.

It's important to lead new recruits to what they need to succeed.

 

For example: The tutorial tracks are an excellent start. But lets remember to drop that little hint that to get the maximum out of the training tracks a new user should probably "roll-back" to version 1.1 to get the tracks to play right.

 

Use the UNINSTALL utility located in the main Lock On folder:

Thats where you have the option to rollback to the vanilla 1.1 version.

 

 

Handy tips and tricks (like Ironhand points out) shorten the initial learning curve hump for someone just getting started. Quality advice.

 

It's also worth pointing out that the "quality" of the navigation part of a mission is really enhanced by carefully studying the mission briefing and mission map prior to flight. Use of the mission map (F10) and the ability to zoom the map view is also a handy aid to navigation and isnt necessarily a cheat. "Real pilots" :pilotfly: do carry maps and carry paper flight plans with the navigation data. Some of us have even printed out maps to hang near the monitor.

[Guest Cali]

I understand what you are saying Cali. But i disagree. I interpreted the post as a wrist slap. And if i interpreted it that way, i am sure others could as well.

I did say in my post that what Disso said is correct.

But please remember that you and I both know where the manual and training section is. We also both know that some of the training modules since 1.12a patch no longer work as intended. One for instance sees my plane careering into a mountain while the tutorail continues in written dialogue.

Therefore its no wonder that some new to the game have trepidations towards certain areas. And to be frank, more concise answers can be found online in message boards much more readily than trolling through the manual and training sequences.

The simming community is a small fraternity. Our genre suffers from the relatively small sales compared to other gaming genre's due to smaller budgets and monetary constraints.

So my point is. Instead of being stern / abrupt / rude / obnoxious (choose which is applicaple). Why not try to encourage new members to our area of enjoyment with helpful and friendly comments instead of the sterile and cold "Well you haven't read the manua thenl" responses that typically scares many newbies away.

Heck, its not as if there is a small learning curve to begin with. Adding to the frustration by dissuading a newcommer to asking questions will only make them more prone to give up on the title. In the end that will hurt us directly as a player.

Give new guys a break. Be friendly, helpful and polite. That is all I ask. Not a lot is it ?

Just remember you were a noob too once.

 

I'm all for helping people out, but Disso sent him in the right direction. I have helped alot of people and been helped by alot of people. So I understand...I do search for the answer first. And like I said maybe he didn't know about the tutorial/training section and now he does.

 

Like here if you don't think I help people http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=17943

 

And here is Disso helping out http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=17977

[Gaizokubanou]

Well if this information makes Disso and Cali happy, I learned all about weapons system for A-10 using tutorial :) just that navigation tutorial confused me a whole lot and left me semi clueless (that was like, a year ago when I first got the game) so I was "scared" to go back to navigation tutorial again.

[Guest Cali]

Well if this information makes Disso and Cali happy, I learned all about weapons system for A-10 using tutorial :) just that navigation tutorial confused me a whole lot and left me semi clueless (that was like, a year ago when I first got the game) so I was "scared" to go back to navigation tutorial again.

 

 

The tutorials helped

[Gaizokubanou]

The tutorials helped

 

No doubt, especially with the voiceover for A-10 trainings. Now if there were voiceovers for other aircrafts I'd love to jump into SU-27 or F-15, but for now A-10's keeping me busy and happy :joystick: :)

[TekaTeka]

For example: The tutorial tracks are an excellent start. But lets remember to drop that little hint that to get the maximum out of the training tracks a new user should probably "roll-back" to version 1.1 to get the tracks to play right.

 

You can have video version of the training tracks from here.

[zaelu]

Thanks guys, I just went through the tutorial after reading the replies and I really appreciate the replies since they clear up some of the stuff (especially about how INBOUND can give me direction to "neutral" airbase with enemy AD :) ).

 

 

And did you recognise Ironhands voice? :D It should sound very close to the nicely structured reply he gave to you just above your post I quote. :smartass:

[Disso]

Well just got up, and was surprised to get that.

 

Bogushead, I sincerely agree, and trust me, usually I help to a better extent by giving directions, answers, or ect. directly in the reply itself, rather than point him somewhere else.

 

But in this case, Cali was spot on. Gaizoku is asking a pretty big question, how to navigate in the A-10. Well this is something that, when written out, could take pages, which can be seen in the manual. Now, trying to replicate that and re-type it out, can result in horrendously confusing directions and misconseptions. I believe it would be much easier to simply direct him in the right direction, and that I did; to the most beneficial place of them all, which he missed. The tutorials.

 

Now, that said, I believe my reply may have been a bit blunt, but I never intended to give off such a feel.

 

In the end, Gaizoku took the advice and went through the tutorial tracks, and that was all he needed, was it not? Glad to see you got it worked out Gaizoku, and thanks Cali!