RX480 Benchmarks out!

[Hadwell]

AMD was advertising RX480 as to be better than 980 for a price lower than 970. For the moment there is no need for nvidia to drop their prices as AMD didn't show anything outstanding - which I would be great as the prices for 1070 and 1080 would have to go down.

 

yeah I was disappointed it wasn't a 980 killer too, so were a lot of R9 290-390X users I bet.

 

where did they say it would be better than 980? you sure this isn't just what was hyped up?

 

There were some leaked numbers, how many flops it has, its memory bandwidth, etc...

 

those "can" give a close indication...

Edited June 30, 2016 by Hadwell

[Farlander]

yeah I was disappointed it wasn't a 980 killer too, so were a lot of R9 290-390X users I bet.

 

 

 

There were some leaked numbers, how many flops it has, its memory bandwidth, etc...

 

those "can" give a close indication...

 

That is called drawing conclusions.. anyways, it's acually not far off the 980 for being on very early drivers...

[Farlander]

now be aware that the 980 will beat it in most games atm, but in many dx12 games it should be really close.

[firmek]

where did they say it would be better than 980? you sure this isn't just what was hyped up?

 

Computex 2016:

 

 

 

Full AMD conference:

 

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According to AMD:

RX480 >5 TF, 230$ - 8GB

980 4,6 TF, you can check the prices

 

Those are the facts but not knowing them deosn't justify accusing others for hyping.

[SkateZilla]

AMD was advertising RX480 as to be better than 980 for a price lower than 970. For the moment there is no need for nvidia to drop their prices as AMD didn't show anything outstanding - which I would be great as the prices for 1070 and 1080 would have to go down.

 

They said that, before nVidia made a Zero-Day Notice and Slashed Prices of 970/980s

 

It was never said to be better than a specific card, it was said to be a Premium Card, at a affordable price.

[Boberro]

IMHO it eats too much power, also it may lose PCI license if problems are not resolved.

After so much hype I expected much more than this. Too hot, too power hungry....

[Hadwell]

That is called drawing conclusions.. anyways, it's acually not far off the 980 for being on very early drivers...

 

says the one drawing conclusions from a single game, that's specifically optimized for AMD cards... so are Ashes, and tombraider so don't bother linking a graph of them...

 

there are not enough DX12 games, maybe when there's 10 or 15 of them out there, from different developers, some who like nvidia better, some who like AMD better, to really give any indication of performance gains DX12 will actually have.

 

and what really matters is the performance in games we actually play... like DCS... and from that point of view, the RX 480 is a 200$ GTX970. unless the only game you play is hitman...

Edited June 30, 2016 by Hadwell

[SkateZilla]

says the one drawing conclusions from a single game, that's specifically optimized for AMD cards... so is Ashes, so don't bother linking a graph of that...

 

what makes you think games it loses ground on arent optimized for nVidia/GameWorks?

[Hadwell]

what makes you think games it loses ground on arent optimized for nVidia/GameWorks?

 

some are, but what we need is a bigger pool of DX12 games, some that run better on one platform than a nother, also what matters is if more games you play regularly work better on nvidia in DX12, then you'd want an nvidia card, even if there are more games that run better in DX12 on AMD in general...

 

the same way, right now, if all you play is hitman, yeah, you might want an AMD card...

[SkateZilla]

Nearly every UWA Game favors AMD, why? because UWA is built on AMD's Architecture.

 

Going forward any Console Port will likely be a UWA Title or at the least a re-compiled DirectX12 x86-64 Title.

 

The Power Draw through the PCIe Slot is a bit worrying though.

 

I suspect a driver update to provide a new default curve for wattman to limit power would fix the problem, especially the spikes.

Edited June 30, 2016 by SkateZilla

[Konovalov]

or sell your current 970 and add that money for a single card 1070 solution with less headache ahead :)

 

Yep I think that would be the better move. :thumbup:

[Aginor]

I am also a bit concerned about the violation of the PCI specification (power).

At the moment I probably wouldn't buy the RX480. I wonder what AMD will do next, and what further Benchmarks will show.

 

EDIT to clarify: At the moment it looks like the AMD guys just took their mouths too full. I expected more. It will probably become a popular card, but for that price tag it _seems_ to be slower than advertised.

Edited July 1, 2016 by Aginor

[SkateZilla]

I am also a bit concerned about the violation of the PCI specification (power).

At the moment I probably wouldn't buy the RX480. I wonder what AMD will do next, and what further Benchmarks will show.

 

EDIT to clarify: At the moment it looks like the AMD guys just took their mouths too full. I expected more. It will probably become a popular card, but for that price tag it _seems_ to be slower than advertised.

 

from sources i know,

 

it's a screwup with Firmware.

 

 

You actually will get better performance by Undervolting your GPU,

 

the Power TDP Wont Violate the 75w PCIe Slot Limit, You wont hit Max Temp and trottle away from Turbo 1266 Clocks either.

 

Whether or not they patch it via driver or firmware updates I dunno.

 

But nearly everyone I've talked to that already has a 480 has undervolted their cards and fixed the Power Consumption, the Overheating Leading to Throttling and Performance Issues they had.

[Farlander]

Computex 2016:

 

 

 

Full AMD conference:

 

 

 

According to AMD:

RX480 >5 TF, 230$ - 8GB

980 4,6 TF, you can check the prices

 

Those are the facts but not knowing them deosn't justify accusing others for hyping.

 

I know those facts, but TF does not equal direct performance. AMD saying this card has x amounts of TF is not the same as saying "this card will beat the "..." card in games", that is purely people making conclutions, and hyping it up.. From what i seem to recall i think the fury also had dissapointing performance compared to what the TF would suggest.

 

Don't get me wrong, ofc it's a bloody selling point, but all the this card will beat the other because teraflops thing is purely community hype train..

Edited July 1, 2016 by Farlander

[SkateZilla]

RX-480 has 5.8 TFLOPS,

GTX1070 Has a 6.4 TFLOPS

 

Essentially they should be close right?, but they arent even close, 1070 gets like 75-80%+ Performance.

 

in the case of RX480, Give drivers a change to mature, as well as the Power Consumption etc.

 

Like I said, tech sites are undervolting them and actually gaining / increasing benchmark performance scores.

 

The WattMan and Power Settings for the RX480 are new, they need to be tweaked ALOT, my neighbor has his 480 already, and it downclocks all the time to manage power and heat when it should have. after work today he's going to undervolt his as well.

 

 

And just like it was w/ the 290/290X, AIB Partners will Fix AMD's Mistakes, They cut corners in the Cooling Solution and likely Power management, Shoulda been a 8-Pin on this puppy, not a 6-Pin.

 

 

 

 

If Anyone was EVER expecting AMD to match nVidia in performance per watt w/ 1/10th the R&D Budget.....

Edited July 1, 2016 by SkateZilla

[Farlander]

says the one drawing conclusions from a single game, that's specifically optimized for AMD cards... so are Ashes, and tombraider so don't bother linking a graph of them...

 

there are not enough DX12 games, maybe when there's 10 or 15 of them out there, from different developers, some who like nvidia better, some who like AMD better, to really give any indication of performance gains DX12 will actually have.

 

and what really matters is the performance in games we actually play... like DCS... and from that point of view, the RX 480 is a 200$ GTX970. unless the only game you play is hitman...

 

Yes, correct.. That benchmark was from hitman, a dx 12 title. The RX 480 seems to perform quite well in dx 12 titles, but lacks a bit more in dx 11 (heyy surprise there AMD... -.-)

 

Point is not to say that it i better than a 980. I believe it's definately not, but rather to show to the people that think it's utter shit that it acually does perform quite well at it's price point. Yes Hitman is optimized for AMD, just like other games might favour Nvidia. Point is that in DX 12, the RX 480 is a respectable card at 200-250$

 

 

There you have a benchmark on a more Nvidia optimized game. From wht i have seen of benchmarks i think the RX 480 is in the same area as gtx 970 and r9 390 in DX11, and close to 980 in DX12. Pretty logical as 980 is not at all optimized for DX12, while AMD and RX480 really is.. Personally, looking at the benchmarks it's right around 970 for DX11.. I would personally gladly take the RX 480 over a second hand 970 even if it costs a little more simply because it is more future proof. Got a very good deal on a 970/you only play dx11 games, sure go ahead.. The performance is pretty much equal.

 

These are still only the first days of benchmarks and drivers.. I'd wait a bit before making a choise anyways.. I guess the PCI-E power draw is a bit conserning too (although i have not seen anyone have a problem with it yet, or seen it draw more than a PCI-E can handle..)

[SkateZilla]

GTX970/980s are price slashed to sell, they wont be available for the long term, let alone the life of the RX-480 to compete.

 

RX-480 is just now available, And it's already Competing, albiet some huge power bugs, But those will be fixed via Driver or Firmware updates.

 

GTX980/970 did not have superb DX11 Performance in it's debut either, nVidia had to do significant driver work to get them there.

 

Comparing Performance and Rating a GPU Architecture that's had 2+ Years of Developmental Improvements (Maxwell Gen1 -> Maxwell Gen 2), to a Architecture that's just released is silly.

 

Give the RX-480 Time to Fix some issues and address the problems, and it will likely increase in performance.

 

The GTX1060 will be paper launched in a week, however, seeing as they moved the schedule up nearly 2 months, I doubt you see it in qtys that allow it to be anything but sold out till the end if the year, nVidia's FAB Allotments favor the large GP Chips (1080/1070 as well as the GP100 Pro and GP102Ti Chips)

 

Expecting a RX480 to Compete w/ a 1070/1080 which is a significantly larger GPU Architecture is like expecting a 4Cyl Camaro to compete w/ a 8 Cyl Mustang in a wide open drag race.

Edited July 1, 2016 by SkateZilla

[Farlander]

All i can say is that if you are looking to buy a card now that you want to keep for 3 or so years, do consider the 480 over the 970.. Im running a 670, and from what ihave seen the AMD cards seem to have gained performance for much longer than the Nvidia cards do.. While my 670 stopped getting performance increases, old AMD cards are, and still do. Not saying that is bound to happen with the 480 either, but if we follow a trend, the 970 is at peak performance now, and the rx 480 will continue getting better the next 3 years.

[kam]

I'm waiting for the AIB 480s to come out, should only be a couple of weeks then I can ditch my 7950 and get a decent VR experience :D

 

Powercolor Devil for example..

 

http://videocardz.com/61769/exclusive-powercolor-radeon-rx-480-devil-pictured

[SkateZilla]

I'm waiting for the AIB 480s to come out, should only be a couple of weeks then I can ditch my 7950 and get a decent VR experience :D

 

Powercolor Devil for example..

 

http://videocardz.com/61769/exclusive-powercolor-radeon-rx-480-devil-pictured

 

 

 

I'm Running a HD7930 (7870XT, Basically a 7970 at 925 w/ 1/4 of the GPU Laser Cut and memory Dropped to 2GB)), For VR, lol, because my lightnings dont have HDMI.

 

Im partial to MSI's stuff though.

Edited July 1, 2016 by SkateZilla

[SkateZilla]

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/41023-amd-investigating-pci-power-draw-issues

[SkateZilla]

[Hadwell]

yeah, most mobos can handle the wattage, if you have a super cheap like... 90$ mobo or something, you might have issues, but even those cheapo mobos will just shut off if you draw too much current... the likelyhood you're going to fry something is slim to none...

 

I do, however, think that cards that go over 75w on the pci-e slot should at least have a disclaimer, it'd piss me off if my computer shut off every time i played a 3d game... don't care who makes the card...

 

and on a different note...

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Edited July 1, 2016 by Hadwell

[SkateZilla]

yeah, most mobos can handle the wattage, if you have a super cheap like... 90$ mobo or something, you might have issues, but even those cheapo mobos will just shut off if you draw too much current... the likelyhood you're going to fry something is slim to none...

 

I do, however, think that cards that go over 75w on the pci-e slot should at least have a disclaimer, it'd piss me off if my computer shut off every time i played a 3d game... don't care who makes the card...

 

and on a different note...

 

not gonna lie, I had to Ditch my Sound Blaster XFi when I went 3Way Crossfire w/ my Lightnings, it would cause it to crap out randomly..

 

I hate how he handles those cards w/ no anti-static protection, andhow the first 2 minutes of his videos are shameless plugs for other products, If i wanted to see about a case I'd search for one..

Edited July 1, 2016 by SkateZilla

[Hadwell]

 

I hate how he handles those cards w/ no anti-static protection, andhow the first 2 minutes of his videos are shameless plugs for other products, If i wanted to see about a case I'd search for one..

 

yeah, I just skip to the graphs, and ignore the rest lol.... there are better articles in text form than anything on youtube...