TrackIR Behavior with 1.5.4 Release

[Gliptal]

I honestly want to see a video of anyone playing in the sim with TIR and the current broken angle. It's just not possible, considering you can't even see through the HUD properly.

 

Seems like there's a massive disconnect between ED and its userbase. Forcing the TIR users to see the same thing as the VR users just for internal coding consistency sake makes no sense. IRL and with VR, one can glance at the MFCDs for example by moving their eyes, with no head movement at all. That's why TIR's view is angled down.

 

Asking thousands of TIR viewers to look through binoculars all of a sudden is going to ruffle a lot of feathers. I don't see how anything but visual flight can be performed with that camera view. Am I supposed to point my head at my desk and look up at my monitor to keep a constant bank angle using the ADI for example?

Edited July 9, 2016 by Gliptal

[SkateZilla]

To make it easier for everyone to find the fix by Skatezilla, here's a link to a topic with a fix file uploaded by Shahdoh: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2822725&postcount=134

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2822647&postcount=121

 

Yeah but each update will just reset it back , unless they change it right? Or is this new offset they way they intend it to be going forward...

 

Have you tried putting in the /Saved Games Folder? Therefore be untouched by updater and override default settings.

 

ie:

Take:

return {
axisCommands = {
-- TrackIR axes
{combos = {{key = 'TRACKIR_PITCH'}},	action = iCommandViewVerticalAbs	, name = _('Absolute Camera Vertical View')},
{combos = {{key = 'TRACKIR_YAW'}},  	action = iCommandViewHorizontalAbs		, name = _('Absolute Camera Horizontal View')},
{combos = {{key = 'TRACKIR_ROLL'}}, 	action = iCommandViewRollAbs		, name = _('Absolute Roll Shift Camera View')},

{combos = {{key = 'TRACKIR_X'}}, 		action = iCommandViewHorTransAbs		, name = _('Absolute Horizontal Shift Camera View')},
{combos = {{key = 'TRACKIR_Y'}}, 		action = iCommandViewVertTransAbs		, name = _('Absolute Vertical Shift Camera View')},
{combos = {{key = 'TRACKIR_Z'}}, 		action = iCommandViewLongitudeTransAbs		, name = _('Absolute Longitude Shift Camera View')},
{combos = nil, 	action = iCommandViewZoomAbs			, name = _('Zoom View')},
},
}

 

 

Paste into Notepad++,

 

Save as:

C:/Users/<UserName>/Saved Games/<DCS.Install>/Config/Input/default/trackir/default.lua

 

Then the Updater Wont Change it, and You can use the old controller until whenever time it's removed from the code.

[Gliptal]

JSGME is also an option.

 

Please don't remove the old controller if the views we currently have really are intended.

[SkateZilla]

JSGME is also an option.

 

Please don't remove the old controller if the views we currently have really are intended.

 

JSGME would require to re-apply after every update, saved games folder wouldnt... one and done, and never have to deal with it again.

[RglsPhoto]

I didnt say it was a 1:1 Tracking Ratio, Curves still apply, I Am Able to Check Six while still looking only maybe 30 Degrees left/right.

 

The Main Difference between old and new is where 0,0,0/0,0,0 From The TrackIR Software Puts you in DCS Virtual Cockpit and Axes Translation.

 

Previously, for Example in A-10C

0,0,0/0,0,0 = 0,0,0/-27,0,0 (looking down 27 degrees at the MFDs)

 

Now,

0,0,0/0,0,0 = 0,0,0/0,0,0 (looking forward through the HUD).

 

 

Previously:

Look Left = Rotate Camera Left, while still having Elevation being -27 Degrees,

 

Now:

Look Left = Look Left (w/ Rotational Ratio Set by TrackIR) (Camera Rotates using head rotation, and elevation is determined by head eye level elevation as well)

 

 

 

So to look at left panel, you look left and down a lil,

 

previously it was basically just look left, as the default camera already had the -27 degrees tilt.

 

Sounds a good idea. I think I need a second monitor to display the front dash.

[SkateZilla]

I'll do a Video Tonite or Tomorrow.

[Enduro14]

I find the new trac ir settings way better than the old ones. We now have a true physicality of our head in the pit. Flying is much more dynamic feeling now. Really feels like vr movement in a sense for trac ir. I think if people take some time and shift down your eye point you will find this works very well and much better than the old ways.

Please keep this new method and if anything make an option in menu for old ways.

[Gliptal]

I find the new trac ir settings way better than the old ones. We now have a true physicality of our head in the pit. Flying is much more dynamic feeling now. Really feels like vr movement in a sense for trac ir. I think if people take some time and shift down your eye point you will find this works very well and much better than the old ways.

Please keep this new method and if anything make an option in menu for old ways.

I don't want to point my head at my desk and strain my eyes upward to do instrument stuff thank you very much. Considering the fact I wear glasses as well.

[SkateZilla]

I don't want to point my head at my desk and strain my eyes upward to do instrument stuff thank you very much. Considering the fact I wear glasses as well.

 

You wont have to if you take a few Seconds to re-calibrate or adjust the view port.

 

Look Up 15-20 degrees, press TrackIR Re-Center Button (F12 Default), Done, now forward facing = -15-20 angle,

 

If that's your only issue, if you dont like something else then, putting the old controller in the /saved games folder would be the easiest option for you at the moment.

Edited July 9, 2016 by SkateZilla

[Enduro14]

Ed trac ir is now perfect after this patch. We actually have a head and please keep this. All it takes is a few adjustments for eye point and it's spot on perfect.

 

Adding options for new and the bad old implementation would probably be a good idea. I think those of us who have used VR in Dcs can see how much better this method is with trac ir. Maybe it just works great for me since I have a 55 inch 4K screen. Either way I think it rocks and it's great having a head in the pit finally with trac ir!

[Gliptal]

Wait so what's the point? Is this about internal consistency with your view wrappers?

 

Why force the players to recenter every time by looking up (meaning you'll never get a consistent default POV) instead of straight at the monitor?

[Gliptal]

Ed trac ir is now perfect after this patch. We actually have a head and please keep this. All it takes is a few adjustments for eye point and it's spot on perfect.

 

Adding options for new and the bad old implementation would probably be a good idea. I think those of us who have used VR in Dcs can see how much better this method is with trac ir. Maybe it just works great for me since I have a 55 inch 4K screen. Either way I think it rocks and it's great having a head in the pit finally with trac ir!

Yeah tough luck for all of us poor guys stuck with a 21' Full HD that never saw the true light of VR and thus don't know how things should be done.

 

Seriously.

[Enduro14]

You can also make the adjustments with the numpad keys like before aka tilt up or down with trac ir live and all set. It's like a big witch hunt in here seriously this is a way better method try it and actually figure it out and make some adjustments to you gain levels in trac ir program I did and this is rocking!

[Mowgli]

If only someone would post here an eye view picture of the pilot in the F-15 cockpit - how does the point of view of the pilot regarding the HUD, horizon and the instrument panel in-front of him...

 

(I Googled it but couldn't find)

[Gliptal]

If only someone would post here an eye view picture of the pilot in the F-15 cockpit - how does the point of view of the regarding the HUD, horizon and the instrument space in-front of him...

 

(I Googled it but couldn't find)

Even if, it's not comparable. If you've ever sit in a real cockpit, you might have noticed you can glance at the front panel without moving your head. Precisely what the old TIR viewpoint allowed to do.

 

There is no reason whatsoever to force anyone to move their head to see the front panel.

[Enduro14]

Ok whatever my take on it is Ed is trying to give us poor trac ir folks a better physical head movement and more realistic head placement in the pit. Is it perfect not at first but make a few adjustments and in my opinion it is for me.

I think it greatly enhances the experience in my opinion.

[Gliptal]

Ok whatever my take on it is Ed is trying to give us poor trac ir folks a better physical head movement and more realistic head placement in the pit. Is it perfect not at first but make a few adjustments and in my opinion it is for me.

I think it greatly enhances the experience in my opinion.

Let me try to point out what I find annoying about this new system.

 

Have you ever sit in a real cockpit? At an air show or something?

[Goldham]

I think it is fine, I had to adjust the looking down curve a little bit for the A-10c but it is perfectly workable. And pretty much all of the aircraft also look straight ahead in the default center position. The A-10c always felt a bit weird with Trackir but once we all get adjusted to the changes it will be perfectly fine.

[Enduro14]

Let me try to point out what I find annoying about this new system.

 

Have you ever sit in a real cockpit? At an air show or something?

 

Yes I have sat in many of real pits. Like was said above adjust the curves of trac ir set it up perfect for me and I also brought my eye point down a couple clicks in the pit. Perfect.

[Gliptal]

Yes I have sat in many of real pits. Like was said above adjust the curves of trac ir set it up perfect for me and I also brought my eye point down a couple clicks in the pit. Perfect.

Right. Could you glance at the instruments in the front panel without moving your head?

[Enduro14]

Yes of course, as you can in Dcs with new head movement. You have the ability to set your eye point how you want and honestly I don't keep the default fov due to my screen so I get more real state and see more.

[Gliptal]

Yes of course, as you can in Dcs with new head movement. You have the ability to set your eye point how you want and honestly I don't keep the default fov due to my screen so I get more real state and see more.

My point precisely. If you can glance without moving my head IRL, why should I move my head with TIR just to see the ADI? This I can't understand.

 

And having to recenter the view every time is not much of a chore problem, but more of a consistency one. Before, if I wanted to recenter I just look at the middle of the screen, and done. What now? I have to angle my head 20° to 30° up every time, with no reference to how much; I might end up placing a marker on the wall or something.

 

Also, after doing that every time I look to the back or the side the viewpoint sinks, and the HUD is not aligned anymore.

 

I understand where they're going with these changes, but they're not going at it the right way.

[SkateZilla]

Right. Could you glance at the instruments in the front panel without moving your head?

 

 

in real life cockpits you have a 270x270 degree dome you can see by moving your eyes only.

 

dont compare that to a screen in front of you.

[cichlidfan]

in real life cockpits you have a 270x270 degree dome you can see by moving your eyes only.

 

 

Huh?

 

You can see 45 degrees behind you without moving your head? You can see your shoes, too?

Edited July 9, 2016 by cichlidfan

[Flame]

This fix the issue.

Thanks SkateZilla

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2822647&postcount=121