Dual Core CPU's? Still a problem w/ LockOn?

[H4rM]

I was just given a pretty nice system by a friend of mine since he wasn't using it, and I had done alot of favors for in the past.

Its an AMD 5000+ cpu X2 AM2 Dual Core, 2 Ghz of OCZ DDR2 Ram and an Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard and I plan on buying at least one nVidia 7900 gtx pci express cards with 512 mb of ram on it, maybe two for sli if he can find the sli crossover connector that came with the motherboard.

He also gave me a CoolIT Systems Freezone waterchiller kit to cool the cpu down.

I just have to case it all.

 

I haven't read much on dual core fixes / problems / etc within LockOn. I have read a few threads on this forum regarding it, but has anyone managed to find a way to get LockOn to work with dual core cpus? This would surely help as I was planning my next upgrade to be a Core 2 duo system anyways.

Another question is; Does LockOn gain much in SLI mode?

 

Currently the sims I fly are LockOn and Allied Force.

 

Thanks in advance for any solutions provided to enhance the performance of LockOn with a dual core system.

:)

[britgliderpilot]

I was just given a pretty nice system by a friend of mine since he wasn't using it, and I had done alot of favors for in the past.

Its an AMD 5000+ cpu X2 AM2 Dual Core, 2 Ghz of OCZ DDR2 Ram and an Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard and I plan on buying at least one nVidia 7900 gtx pci express cards with 512 mb of ram on it, maybe two for sli if he can find the sli crossover connector that came with the motherboard.

He also gave me a CoolIT Systems Freezone waterchiller kit to cool the cpu down.

I just have to case it all.

 

I haven't read much on dual core fixes / problems / etc within LockOn. I have read a few threads on this forum regarding it, but has anyone managed to find a way to get LockOn to work with dual core cpus? This would surely help as I was planning my next upgrade to be a Core 2 duo system anyways.

Another question is; Does LockOn gain much in SLI mode?

 

Currently the sims I fly are LockOn and Allied Force.

 

Thanks in advance for any solutions provided to enhance the performance of LockOn with a dual core system.

:)

 

 

Lomac is still a single-threaded program, and is likely to remain so just because of the immense amounts of work that would be required to go through the code changing it to run as multiple threads. As such (unless there's something clever I'm unaware of), unless your dual-core chip can split a single thread between it's two cores, you still won't see much of an improvement - sorry.

 

One suggested improvement is to set all your system threads to run on one CPU and run ONLY Lomac on the other - use all the performance you can on it :)

 

 

Regarding SLI . . . . . suggest you have a browse in the tech forum, will probably be able to answer that better.

 

Last I heard, it was working pretty well and did provide a boost - however, Lomac is still pretty much CPU limited at the top end.

 

 

Regardless of whether Lomac can make the most of your hardware, you've now got the hardware that will make the most of Lomac ;)

 

And you got it for free . . . . .

[Guest IguanaKing]

why dont you buy the cd version like me. hasn't given me any problems at all.

 

The DL version is just fine too, but I'm not sure where he said he was having problems with FC. ;)

 

H4rM, looks like a damn fine rig. Just be sure to get a power supply to match it. Cooling of the CPU is also important, so I recommend the Thermaltake Big Typhoon. It does a hell of a job, keeping a Northwood P4 in the high 30s to low 40's under load, and you barely hear it running. Granted, it looks like something out of a Road Warrior movie, but it works.:)

[brewber19]

Hi H4RM,

 

There are no issues running lomac on a dual-core...just use a little application called "ProCaff" (put the file in the LO folder) and designate LO to use EITHER core 1 OR core 2 (not both)...and LO will run fine (Edit: do a google for ProCaff and you'll find the necessary file and config instructions).

 

LO gets stuck when trying to use BOTH cores....cos it stutters as it tries to load-balance across the 2 cpus. Thats how it was for me anyways.

 

re: SLi....you will see a little improvement but not much in LO....you will get more benefit in FPS games though, if you play those as well?

 

See my sig for my rig.

[Gripes]

Just make sure that you install a dual-core optimizer from AMD.

It helps with online play stutter. Also, it eliminates the need for

utilities like "Procaff" (affinity assigning)

 

 

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_13118,00.html

[tflash]

Anyway, on an Dell with Intel Core Duo Lockon FC 1.12a runs perfectly smoothly!

[Guest IguanaKing]

Good to know, Tflash, since I'm building a Conroe rig.

[ALDEGA]

Lomac is still a single-threaded program

Actually, it has 12 threads in the main menu, and 13 in-game. Doesn't mean multi-core will help much as most of these threads may be very unactive.

You can verify this using the Windows Task Manager (select View \ Select Columns ... and check the Thread Count option).

 

Flanker 2.51 has 9 threads in the main menu, 10 in-game.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Lomac is still a single-threaded program, ..

Actually, Lock On runs in multiple threads, however, Lock On code is not optimized to use additional cores/CPU’s in the system. I don’t know of any modern PC games that are optimized to use dual/multi core CPU’s?

[theGozr]

Something they should of done long ago and IMO was a bad move not to do so .. multicores exist for a lonnng time now. Just ED made some bad choices and they should work on it with out any excuses and but.. but.. toomuch work.. !. The world is turning fast they should adjust to it. lets see what will happen when the Jet new sim will be released. I hope they will provide... period

[theGozr]

I really hope as well that ED is conscious that they have to deal with buyers and members that upgrades their pc about ~$2000+ to be able to run this sim reasonably. We want ED to perform 110 % at work, they have the chance to work on simulators. It's a hard work and market out here. They provide 110% and peoples will come and buy.. it's a simple anderstanding. I'm hard on words but i'm right.

[ALDEGA]

Something they should of done long ago and IMO was a bad move not to do so .. multicores exist for a lonnng time now.

LockOn was released in 2003. There were *no* multi-core CPU's at that time.

 

At best there were multi-CPU (single-cores) in workstations and servers.

How many people, playing LockOn, had an SMP setup, in 2003, or even today?

[Guest IguanaKing]

But, if you remember, LockOn was said to be scaled to "systems of the future". Granted, they probably couldn't have envisioned dual core CPUs at the time...but their initial response to dual core users about Black Shark was a little odd, saying that BS would not support it. Since that day though, it seems they have added dual-core support to Black Shark. I guess it helps when people bitch a little. :D

[theGozr]

Sorry man i always had Dual CPU and also some alpha 64 bit cpu's just don't make excuses in 2003 we all new the dual cpu's, dual cores were the futur like on servers. Just bad jugement that all.

 

Even Quake 3 1999 was made for multi cpu. Even Vodoo had ther dual VGA tech..

Where have you been ????? . ;) even macintosh that i use to have had quad and dual mp's .

 

NO EXCUSES...

All Hardcore gamers use to have the Atlhon or intel dual cpu

;)

[JEFX]

Hi!

 

I just got my new conroe system 3 days ago and it is fantastic with FC.

I bought a core2duo E 6600 chip on a good ASUS motherboard with 2 Gigs of good memory, 2x250Gig Hdrives in ATA0 mode (making it a great 500 Gig faster HD) and a nVidia 7950x2 card (with ONE GiG of video memory).

 

Flaming cliffs rocks on it (and it is not even the numbers that speak but the fluidity... With everything maxed out, except medium water and visibility range, but with high scenes, textures, etc, with reflections, mirrors with high resolution, and with my card at 8x AA and 8x AF, above Sevastopol, in an SU-25T and some other planes and explosion, it still remains above the 25-30FPS and there are no stutters... Finally, after all those years, fluidity bliss...

 

There is nothing to do, just run Lockon and the system just does it all!

 

 

JEFX

[theGozr]

got E6700 + 7950 Gx2 all overclocked high i will not run it at 1200x1600 due to the impossibilty to see the dot ( wich are quite bad on lockon )

My advise:

Make sure your SLi is enable in the drivers, run LO at 1280x1024, run 4x 4x aa af, you will be much happier. and you will see the dots with a great image . also High water and 100 km visibility range all to max

[Floyd]

I don’t know of any modern PC games that are optimized to use dual/multi core CPU’s?

 

Falcon AF:

 

http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showpost.php?p=1179752&postcount=6

[192nd_Erdem]

Also Quake IV.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Falcon AF:

 

http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showpost.php?p=1179752&postcount=6

Falcon 4.0 is not modern PC game. In my original statement I used the word modern, because I was aware of the Falcon 4.0 ability to use multiple CPU’s/cores.

 

I bought original Falcon 4.0 the day it was released. I remember the day when the code was optimized for use with multiple CPU’s. At that time there were no multicore CPU’s, however one could get a motherboard with two CPU sockets.

[Pilotasso]

Intell Quadro is arround the corner and it shows already to obliterate and blow everything else out of the water. Nothing that will benifit SIM's for a while though. I will skip multicore processing entirely untill VISTA, DX10 graphics and the second GEN multicore CPU's arrive and proved mature. They are too new, and swiching now might force you to buy a new system prematurely. VISTA and DX10 will be the technological earth shaterer and I dont want to be anywhere there with a new system by the time it hits.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Also Quake IV.

That, I did not know. Was there a need for so much of a processing power in Quake IV?

[Floyd]

Falcon 4.0 is not modern PC game. In my original statement I used the word modern, because I was aware of the Falcon 4.0 ability to use multiple CPU’s/cores.

 

I bought original Falcon 4.0 the day it was released. I remember the day when the code was optimized for use with multiple CPU’s. At that time there were no multicore CPU’s, however one could get a motherboard with two CPU sockets.

 

Well, i said Falcon AF (Allied Force) and despite the age of the code base

i would say it's modern - enough differences to the original Falcon 4.0 from 1998.

And if you think that Lomac is modern i'm appalled by the fact that it doesn't

support multiple cores/cpu. Maybe it's because of the Flanker code base?

And that for a sim that comes along so cpu hungry - oh really, a modern design.

Hwg, the mission concept (player/client etc) didn't change :D

[Pilotasso]

They say Falcon AF is multicore compliant but it does not take any benifit from it. The term is only used to say it runs on a multicore enviroment without issues, unlike LOMAC.

[Floyd]

They say Falcon AF is multicore compliant but it does not take any benifit from it. The term is only used to say it runs on a multicore enviroment without issues, unlike LOMAC.

 

Compliant with a 50% increase in FPS, for you the picture again:

http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showpost.php?p=1179752&postcount=6

Not that bad for "no benefit" :D

[Pilotasso]

Well then I stand corrected because that was not the info I had. Cheers. :)