Possible bug: VRS non existent after patch (09th sept)

[Frusheen]

DCS 1.5.4.56500 patch 5

 

Just tested a full down collective descent from a high altitude hover and I can arrest the descent at 60-70% without any sign of entering VRS or increased engine demand.

Edited September 9, 2016 by Frusheen
Added version number.

[Fredo_69]

Same here no VRS in the Gazelle.

[Frusheen]

I managed to enter VRS. It requires close to zero forward or lateral momentum and is so easy to recover from its almost a non event.

[Devrim]

How do you understand you entered the VRS, if it's so easy to recover from it?

 

I gain altitude and go above 5000 feet. No air speed.

Then release collective all way down.

While Gazelle falls as fast as possible, I pull collective and vertical-speed gauge raise to zero (and above) like crazy.

[Mt5_Roie]

Please fill out bug report template:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=166931

[Fredo_69]

BUG TEMPLATE:

 

Description: VRS nor simulated i Gazelle.

DCS Version: 1.5.4.57013

Steam: No

Map: Caucasus

SP/MP: SP

Reproducible: Yes

Step to Reproduce: Take-off climb straight upp, drop collective to floor... Watch sink-rate go to max and then raise collective to stop sinking. No VRS.

Screenshot/Video available:

Track Available: No

Mission File: No

Controllers:

Saitek Pro Flight X-55Rhino Stick (DZ:1 Sat X:99 Sat Y:99 Curve:15)

Saitek Pro Flight X-55 Rhino Throttle (DZ:0 Sat X:100 Sat Y:100 Curve:0)

CH Pro Pedals USB (DZ:0 Sat X:100 Sat Y:100 Curve:0)

Track-IR 5

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium

CPU: i7-3770K CPU @3,50GHz

RAM: 16 GB

GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760

Mods: No

Any Additional Information:

[Holbeach]

Here's one I did earlier. about hands free flight, but I think it illustrates the lack of VRS effect quite well, even though it was implemented some time ago.

 

 

It's easy to reproduce, SAS/gyro on or off .

 

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[Fredo_69]

Here's one I did earlier. about hands free flight, but I think it illustrates the lack of VRS effect quite well, even though it was implemented some time ago.

 

 

It's easy to reproduce, SAS/gyro on or off .

 

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It's absolutely just "dead-in-the-air" - but they'll fix it... some day

[Fredo_69]

Here's one I did earlier. about hands free flight, but I think it illustrates the lack of VRS effect quite well, even though it was implemented some time ago.

 

 

It's easy to reproduce, SAS/gyro on or off .

 

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...and you are referring to a closed thread :) that post "it has been implemented" is now deleted ;)

[Mud]

Yeah, just noticed what I said vanished with it. Makes me wonder why I still bother ...

[Fredo_69]

Yeah, just noticed what I said vanished with it. Makes me wonder why I still bother ...

And that is just SAD, when dedicated people starts to feel so...

[myHelljumper]

So, the gazelle does not have VRS ?

 

Here latest update no wind clean gazelle M

 

 

https://youtu.be/DPBxrqX-NZI

 

Still, no vortex at all...

Edited October 5, 2016 by myHelljumper

[Fredo_69]

So, the gazelle does not have VRS ?

 

Here latest update no wind clean gazelle M

 

 

https://youtu.be/DPBxrqX-NZI

 

Still, no vortex at all...

Thanks!

 

According to Polychop it's been fixed "long ago"...

[myHelljumper]

This is ironic. Watch the video, you can clearly see a lot of VRS...

 

https://youtu.be/DPBxrqX-NZI

[Frusheen]

It is possible to get into VRS. It requires zero forward or lateral movement in the descent and I've only managed it in testing and then when close to the ground.

 

I just spent an hour test flying the gazelle in 1.5 and in that time managed to get into VRS only once! The slightest forward or lateral movement and the Heli recovers on its own. The implementation is very unrealistic.

 

I identified it by seeing judder in the airframe and an increase in descent rate. Just touching the cyclic results in a recovery.

[Fredo_69]

This is ironic. Watch the video, you can clearly see a lot of VRS...

 

https://youtu.be/DPBxrqX-NZI

Yes, you might be right. It's very subtile and recovers from it without much (any?) effort from you?

[myHelljumper]

The implementation is very unrealistic.

 

Source ?

 

Polychop as sources for this, REAL ARMY SA-342M PILOTS. Do you have better than that to back up you "facts" ?

[Fredo_69]

And now that again"REAL ARMY SA-342M PILOTS"....

Can't you get it, this FM is far from ready!

IF we could just agree on that?! Things would be so much easier...

[myHelljumper]

Can't you get it, this FM is far from ready!

 

How ?

[Frusheen]

Source ?

 

Polychop as sources for this, REAL ARMY SA-342M PILOTS. Do you have better than that to back up you "facts" ?

 

Your video proves it well enough for me. You recovered from VRS with just collective.

[Fredo_69]

Ever heard of "torque induced jaw" - for example???

 

IF you just want to fly around casually blowing up stuff, that's fine with me - I'm happy for You then.

But I'm into flight SIMULATION and this module isn't ready to that standard - yet!

[myHelljumper]

Maybe BUT there is VRS ;)

[Fredo_69]

Maybe BUT there is VRS ;)

;)

[Frusheen]

Maybe BUT there is VRS ;)

 

You are correct there is VRS but it's so subtle and easy to recover from that it seems unrealistic.

 

EDIT: Removed off topic content relating to other oddities of the flight model so as not to derail the thread.

Edited October 6, 2016 by Frusheen

[myHelljumper]

You are OT.

 

Edit: thanks for staying on topic.

Edited October 6, 2016 by myHelljumper