Grudge Match Series- Round 3: Mig 21 Vs F-5 & AJS-37 Viggen!

[Hook47]

 

DCS Community:

 

On behalf of The Grudge Match Series, Sponsored by Leatherneck Simulations & in partnership with SA-Sim.com, I am honored and very excited to announce MiG 21 Vs F-5 Round 3, now joined by Leatherneck Simulations AJS 37 Viggen, piloted by the brave gentleman of Leatherneck Simulations themselves! You read that correctly! Leatherneck Simulations is bringing the AJS 37 Viggen into the fray in an epic sneak peak of the upcoming DCS: Viggen. The Viggen will be joining forces with Belsimtech's F-5 Tiger II square off against against Leatherneck Simulation's own MiG 21Bis module...

 

Round 3 will be very different from our previous two rounds, as the Viggen will join forces with Team Tiger in a epic scenario designed to test the abilities of both man and machine. Team Fishbed will take 10 aircraft against 5 Tigers and 5 Viggens, as Team Tiger and Viggen attempt to overcome Fishbed's defense to complete a key objective! The scenario will keep the air to air action of the previous rounds, with added new Attack/Defense objectives to put the Viggen to work! More details on the scenario will follow, but mark your calendars now to catch the epic action on December 10th!

 

*IMPORTANT NOTE- This announcement is in no way representative of any official DCS: Viggen release information. The Viggen will appear in this match in a controlled environment by Leatherneck Simulations, specifically for this match. This is intended as a sneak peak at the upcoming module in a community centered environment

 

December 10, 2016, 2000 ZULU (Contingency date, December 17)

 

DCS World (VERSION TBA) /B]

 

CATCH THE MATCH LIVE ON TWITCH.TV! (Stream will start between 2030-2100Z 12/10/16)

 

Additional Stream Info Coming Soon

 

MATCH PRIZES: Details pending, we are hoping to have giveaways as in Round 2! More on that soon!

 

REGISTRATION: SEE OFFICIAL REGISTRATION THREAD https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=178016

 

OFFICIAL ROSTER

 

TEAM FISHBED:

TO BE ANNOUNCED

 

TEAM TIGER:

TO BE ANNOUNCED

 

TEAM VIGGEN

The fearless men of Leatherneck Simulations... More info to follow soon!

 

ROUND 2 Debrief and Broadcast Recording https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=174234

 

AS ALWAYS: THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS & PARTNERS: LEATHERNECK SIMULATIONS, SA-SIM.COM AND MAPLE FLAG MISSIONS FOR MAKING THIS POSSIBLE!

 

:pilotfly:

Edited December 11, 2016 by Hook47

[TIGER]

Viggen??????? :shocking: :shocking: :shocking: :shocking: :shocking: :shocking: :shocking:

[JaNk0]

Great news! Is it possible to broadcast real time TACview?

[Harle]

I wonder how that's gonna work out for mig-21 with IR missiles that won't give a lock signal.

[BadHabit]

Viggen??????? :shocking: :shocking: :shocking: :shocking: :shocking: :shocking: :shocking:

 

 

:D Looks like you have to fight them!

[TIGER]

:detective::shocking:so there will be 5 secret Pilots for Viggen?

 

Interesting...:shifty:

[Hook47]

Great news! Is it possible to broadcast real time TACview?

 

This really would be an outstanding feature, particularly for review those insane plays and merges, but I'm not aware of any way to do it sadly :(

[JaNk0]

This really would be an outstanding feature, particularly for review those insane plays and merges, but I'm not aware of any way to do it sadly :(

 

What about LotAtc, could that be an alternative?

 

[Edit]

 

It might be a good idea to reach the creator of TacView and see what's possible.

According to TacView's site, it mentions Real Time Online Analysis*

 

however

 

* Please note that some features are currently in development. They will be available at no additional cost to the proud owners of a Home or a Professional edition when they will be released.

Edited December 2, 2016 by JaNk0

[Foka1]

I wonder how that's gonna work out for mig-21 with IR missiles that won't give a lock signal.

 

Just throw bullets or VOdka at them.. No VOdka will stay..

[winchesterdelta1]

Very very cool. :)

A very refreshing and unique thing to do.

[Hook47]

Thanks guys!

 

Aware of the concern with the MiG 21s missiles, missile behavior has always been a devil on these Grudge Matches! First the F-5 and now the MiG 21 :)

 

I will put it on LNS radar to see what can be done, we will try to have a reasonable plan to handle that potential issue. As for now we drive forward as planned!

[FLANKERATOR]

Ok, guys, ranking-based registration is officially over! Thank you all :thumbup:

 

We got exactly what we needed numbers-wise(10 Fishbed and 5 Tigers); however, note that a few players are in for 17th of September only, which means that we will have 1 Fishbed and probably 3 Tiger slots up for grabs if the match is ever confirmed for this Saturday 10th!

 

It's also worth mentioning that all those who don't have a ranking and signed up got in!

 

First come first served based registration is now open and will be for 48 hours so if you aspire to take part in this great showdown, post you application now!

 

Every member of the winning team will win an AJS-37 Viggen DCS Module, a chance to make headlines, feature on the SA Rankings and of course, earn bragging rights!

 

here is the roster so far:

A PM has been sent out to all participants for further instructions, if you did not get it, please let me know.

 

THIS ROSTER IS UPDATED FREQUENTLY, PLS PURGE YOUR BROWSER CACHE TO MAKE SURE YOU SEE THE CURRENT VERSION.

Edited December 5, 2016 by FLANKERATOR

[microvax]

Interesting question with regard to the match:

 

Will the AJS37 be capable of mounting the RB74 aka AIM9L on the wing tip pylons ?

 

The loadout tables I have only list the RB24J on the wingtips, which would be rear aspect only AIM9j.

But those loadout tables are old, they do not list the BK90 at all for example.

 

And I have seen pictures of AJS37 with AIM9L on the wingtips, aim9x was afaik the first aim9 to drop interface rearward compatibility and the ja37 could mount aim9ls on the wing tips.

 

So I guess the AJS37 can mount aim9l on the wing tips, but I am not sure here, question is, will the Leatherneck one be ? :D

 

Should also be interesting what loadout they go for. With aim9L, they have the best a2a IR missile meanwhile they can either have guns OR chaff/flares. Will be interesting to watch ! :)

[Deadpoetic6]

So that means that next friday patch will include the Viggen in the game!!!

 

What a tease to put a flyable craft in a patch that we can't fly :*(

[apocom]

Interesting question with regard to the match:

 

Will the AJS37 be capable of mounting the RB74 aka AIM9L on the wing tip pylons ?

 

The loadout tables I have only list the RB24J on the wingtips, which would be rear aspect only AIM9j.

But those loadout tables are old, they do not list the BK90 at all for example.

 

And I have seen pictures of AJS37 with AIM9L on the wingtips, aim9x was afaik the first aim9 to drop interface rearward compatibility and the ja37 could mount aim9ls on the wing tips.

 

So I guess the AJS37 can mount aim9l on the wing tips, but I am not sure here, question is, will the Leatherneck one be ? :D

 

Should also be interesting what loadout they go for. With aim9L, they have the best a2a IR missile meanwhile they can either have guns OR chaff/flares. Will be interesting to watch ! :)

 

LNS stated in the AMA reddit thread that the AJS37 is AIM9L capable.

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

Just wondering are you guys gonna be using Simple Radio during this exercise?

 

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[microvax]

LNS stated in the AMA reddit thread that the AJS37 is AIM9L capable.

 

That it can carry them on the mid wing and fuselage pylons I know, question is if the wing tip pylons can.

 

I think I have spoted them on rl pictures but A that could be just for show B that could be misidentification due to low resolution pics, C the old loadout tables which include RB74 do not list them on the wingtip pylons. :D

 

And since CM and guns can only be carried on the mid wing pylons, well, not having rb74 on the wing tips would be limiting you to two aim9j and two aim9l. :)

 

Thats mainly why I asked ! :D

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

It will probably be that LNS guys just solely do A2G and leave the A2A for the f5s. But then again they may be packing two heaters just incase so we shall see.

 

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[apocom]

It will probably be that LNS guys just solely do A2G and leave the A2A for the f5s. But then again they may be packing two heaters just incase so we shall see.

 

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I don't think so, that would leave the F5's without much of a chance.

[microvax]

It will probably be that LNS guys just solely do A2G and leave the A2A for the f5s. But then again they may be packing two heaters just incase so we shall see.

 

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Why so ?

The Radar isnt really suited for air to air, but performance wise the Viggen should outperform both the Mig21bis and the f5.

Dunno about playtime but also in that category is the viggen pretty exceptional. Only thing limiting it is its a2a radar functionality, which is worse then both the mig21 and f5s.

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

Well that would all come down to the pilot. F5 and viggen have a good sustained turn rate below 15kft however the mighty mig has a faster instantaneous turn rate. This is surely going to be a great match up.

 

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[Stuge]

Well that would all come down to the pilot. F5 and viggen have a good sustained turn rate below 15kft however the mighty mig has a faster instantaneous turn rate. This is surely going to be a great match up.

 

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Actually Mig-21's horizontal sustained turn rate is currently superior to F-5's, but only in a relatively narrow speed margin (high speeds of ~800 km/h). However, Mig suffers from poor slow-speed handling and thus it is easy for the F-5 pilot to force an overshoot and dominate in slow-speed scissors/rolling scissors and any other one-circle/nose-to-nose geometry. This combined with relatively poor air to air weapon lethality of both aircraft means that 1 vs 1 scenarios are likely to take considerable time to finish, with offensive and defensive roles easily switching between combatants.

 

Because of this, team work, tactics, and concentration of firepower plays perhaps the most significant part in this matchup, and most kills are accomplished by heatseekers fired without the target detecting the missile launch.

Edited December 5, 2016 by Stuge

[microvax]

Well that would all come down to the pilot. F5 and viggen have a good sustained turn rate below 15kft however the mighty mig has a faster instantaneous turn rate. This is surely going to be a great match up.

 

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I dunno if it really has faster instantaneous. The AJS37 is probably mostly limited by the compressor stalls above 18degrees aoa.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=139957&d=1462240965

 

Just wanted to point out that overall flight performance wise the Viggen is probably at least even with the F5 and Mig21. But I agree that in the end it comes down to the pilot much more then to the frame and the armament.

[VIKBELL]

Like that is so awesome dudes.:pilotfly:

[FLANKERATOR]

Previous rounds proved that 9 times out of ten, people get shot down by the bandit that they fail to see regardless of what airframe they fly.

Teamwork and SA are huge factors in a close quarters match up like this one.

Edited December 6, 2016 by FLANKERATOR