LOL....The Key message

[Zimmerdylan]

I had to snicker to myself a little bit when I read the "Only DCS World keys" message that popped up in my menu box for DCS yesterday. I thought to myself "Is this really a problem?". But I guess it must be. ED thought enough to actually make it a major announcement.

I do recall on several occasions while on TS in servers where people were trying to encourage me to go here or there and I can get many of these modules much cheaper than at the DCS sight. I naturally would shy away from doing these things.

I have always had the idea that ED, and DCS have always been good to me. They sold me some great modules for prices that were much more than reasonable (remember those sales in the old days?). And I have purchased AC for other flight sims that cost me much more than most DCS modules and were much less detailed, with marginal flight models. So I do not find that there is any reason whatsoever to go fly by night on them.

I hear all of the complaints from Steam customers about release dates, late patches, compatibility issues, and all kinds of other stuff and I am dumbfounded that people even go that rout.

As sappy as it sounds, my loyalty is to DCS when it comes to where my $$ goes. There is no reason for me to go anywhere else no matter the price. These modules aren't overly expensive. I know that some of you aren't exactly rolling in the dough (I can relate). But in my years on this planet I learned a very valuable lesson that you cannot get younger people to understand. Taking shortcuts leads to shortcut results most of the time, and you get what you pay for. It's something that a person just needs to learn for them self I guess. I'm sure that's how I learned it. Trial and frustrating error. :megalol:

[shagrat]

Yep, that guy that made a "real bargain" on a dubious shop and then complains he got a fake, with no support and inferior quality.

Wouldn't a bargain, with 70-80% reduction in price compared to the original price NOT make you suspicious, somehow? ;)

[StandingCow]

Grey market re-sellers are probably the most harmful thing to small companies and indie studios (everyone really). It is really a shame that things such as G2A, etc are pushed by so many youtubers/twitch streamers.

[Rabb]

Nice post, Zimmerdylan.

 

But, you can get modules way cheaper if you understand Russian:

 

"Dear users! Only DCS World keys purchased from these locations are valid purchases and can be activated in the Module Manager:

 

• DCS E-Shop
  
• Steam
  
• 1C, Gamazavr and YouPlay in Russia
  
• Acealpha in South Korea
  

Any DCS World keys purchased from other sources are invalid and are simply trying to re-sell keys that are bound to other users or purchased through fraud. Such sites include Kinguin, CDExpress and G2A.

If you purchase DCS World keys from these sites, we cannot help you. We suggest you contact these sites for a refund."

 

Check the Russian prices...

[SkateZilla]

These Websites:

-Buy bulk and abusively during High % off sales w/ intent to re-sell,

-Buy Using Fraud w/ Paypal/Credit Card Accounts,

-Re sell them at a higher price,

-Re sell keys that are already bound to another account.

 

It's a Violation of EULA.

 

It might be laughable to you guys now,

But try being one of the people that got duped by these sites who cannot play because their key was sold to multiple recipients and is bound to another account therefore invalid to use online w/ their account.

Edited December 6, 2016 by SkateZilla

[funkyfranky]

It might be laughable to you guys now,

But try being one of the people that got duped by these sites who cannot play because their key was sold to multiple recipients and is bound to another account therefore invalid to use online w/ their account.

It is definitely not funny. But as shagrat said, if it is too good to be true, it probably isn't. That's a lesson every singe one of us has to learn (at least) once in his life. And those guys are better off learning it for the prize of an ED module rather than a car or something even more expensive.

[Zimmerdylan]

Nice post, Zimmerdylan.

 

But, you can get modules way cheaper if you understand Russian:

 

"Dear users! Only DCS World keys purchased from these locations are valid purchases and can be activated in the Module Manager:

• DCS E-Shop
  
• Steam
  
• 1C, Gamazavr and YouPlay in Russia
  
• Acealpha in South Korea
  

Any DCS World keys purchased from other sources are invalid and are simply trying to re-sell keys that are bound to other users or purchased through fraud. Such sites include Kinguin, CDExpress and G2A.

If you purchase DCS World keys from these sites, we cannot help you. We suggest you contact these sites for a refund."

 

Check the Russian prices...

 

Yes....I saw your thread earlier. Although you are correct, things are less expensive in Russia, it has nothing to do with fairness, or ED taking advantage of anyone. It's world economics 101. Things are in general, cheaper or more expensive in other countries based on the world currency values. To the average Russian person sitting in their room, looking at modules, the price isn't that cheap. Their currency exchange is different than the United States. And generally the price of things is reflected by that.

EXAMPLE: I live very close to the border of Mexico. I can go down there, get a carton of smokes for about 25% the cost of the same cigarettes in the U.S. This is not because of taxes. It's because of the exchange rate. I can get a beautiful leather jacket or leather boots for the same price difference. It's all about geographic location. So it's not as if anyone is getting cheated. Or as if ED is slighting you. It's just basic economics and exchanges.

I'm not inclined to worry too much about getting my modules from the Russian sites. I'm happy to fork over the money in my own currency without exploiting anything. Not that you are right or wrong in how you are looking at it. I just don't worry about it. And, I don't read Russian.

[Zimmerdylan]

"It's a Violation of EULA.

 

It might be laughable to you guys now,

But try being one of the people that got duped by these sites who cannot play because their key was sold to multiple recipients and is bound to another account therefore invalid to use online w/ their account. "

Yeah....I would be pretty upset myself. But it really kind of goes back to an old saying, "You can't con an honest man." I know that sounds too black or white and indeed the reality of it is very grey. But whenever I see a product like DCS, or Battlefield, Halo, or whatever on a site that doesn't seem affiliated, or isn't the actual vendor's website, I won't give it a second look. The internet is chock full -0- crooks waiting to take your money, ID, and dignity away from you. It's a world with no moral compass, boundries, or discrimination. Anyone who spends even a modest amount of time on the internet should know to be very, very weary of these things.

[ebabil]

Nice post, Zimmerdylan.

 

But, you can get modules way cheaper if you understand Russian:

 

"Dear users! Only DCS World keys purchased from these locations are valid purchases and can be activated in the Module Manager:

 

• DCS E-Shop
  
• Steam
  
• 1C, Gamazavr and YouPlay in Russia
  
• Acealpha in South Korea
  

Any DCS World keys purchased from other sources are invalid and are simply trying to re-sell keys that are bound to other users or purchased through fraud. Such sites include Kinguin, CDExpress and G2A.

If you purchase DCS World keys from these sites, we cannot help you. We suggest you contact these sites for a refund."

 

Check the Russian prices...

 

 

i tried to buy some thing from yuplay.rus but it gave a local restriction. i think only russians have this advantage

[shagrat]

i tried to buy some thing from yuplay.rus but it gave a local restriction. i think only russians have this advantage

The point is, that it isn't an advantage, actually.

Imagine you earn a value equivalent of 1000 credits worth of money and a 8oz steak from a butcher cost you 10 credits.

A DCS module would cost you 20 credits.

 

To the guy earning the equivalent of 5000 credits in the local currency the steak would cost 15-20 credits and the module 60 credits.

 

Who has the cheaper price and an "advantage"? ;)

[Wizard_03]

I actually don't mind paying full price, IMHO it's a practical way to show support

for our small-ish community. Especially given the quality/amount of work that goes into

This kind of stuff

[WindyTX]

Wizard struck the nail on the head . We all want F14 F18 Hind and Viggen. Programming takes time and we all have to eat I happily buy my modules from DCS and have them all. If we show support for the product then the product will continue to be improved and new modules will be made. Cheap out trying to get save a buck or 2 you are only cheating yourself and others out of a great product.

 

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[Rangi]

I agree , ED and the third party developers need all the support we can give.

[ebabil]

The point is, that it isn't an advantage, actually.

Imagine you earn a value equivalent of 1000 credits worth of money and a 8oz steak from a butcher cost you 10 credits.

A DCS module would cost you 20 credits.

 

To the guy earning the equivalent of 5000 credits in the local currency the steak would cost 15-20 credits and the module 60 credits.

 

Who has the cheaper price and an "advantage"? ;)

absolutely right. But I am also at the 1000 credit earning side :lol:

[NeilWillis]

Any avoidance of paying a fair price for a fair days work exploits the hard work of the individual doing the work.

 

ED need our support through our custom in order to continue to develop their products. Simple economics.

 

Also, a Kenyan prince once wrote an e-mail to me and asked if I'd transfer a million pounds through my bank account, and if I did I could keep 3,000 for myself. It seems I was a distant relation or something. What a nice guy! I wonder why I didn't believe him?

 

If ED try to draw our attention to potential fraud, it is far from funny. Internet fraud is the single biggest money making medium for criminals these days. Not only will you be getting ripped off, you will be financing the drugs cartels or human traffickers into the bargain. I am afraid I don't see the humour in any of that.

[Zimmerdylan]

Any avoidance of paying a fair price for a fair days work exploits the hard work of the individual doing the work.

 

ED need our support through our custom in order to continue to develop their products. Simple economics.

 

Also, a Kenyan prince once wrote an e-mail to me and asked if I'd transfer a million pounds through my bank account, and if I did I could keep 3,000 for myself. It seems I was a distant relation or something. What a nice guy! I wonder why I didn't believe him?

 

If ED try to draw our attention to potential fraud, it is far from funny. Internet fraud is the single biggest money making medium for criminals these days. Not only will you be getting ripped off, you will be financing the drugs cartels or human traffickers into the bargain. I am afraid I don't see the humour in any of that.

 

 

Hey!!!! That Kenyan prince is my 3rd cousin once removed on my stepmother's side of the family. Maybe we're related..........

[NeilWillis]

It's a small world indeed Zimmerdylan!

[Rabb]

The point is, that it isn't an advantage, actually.

Imagine you earn a value equivalent of 1000 credits worth of money and a 8oz steak from a butcher cost you 10 credits.

A DCS module would cost you 20 credits.

 

To the guy earning the equivalent of 5000 credits in the local currency the steak would cost 15-20 credits and the module 60 credits.

 

Who has the cheaper price and an "advantage"? ;)

 

The guy who earns 5000 credits, still:

 

Your example presented differently: the first guy spends 2 % of his salary for a DCS module, the 2nd guy spends only 1.2 %.

 

In reality, they both have advantage over many people. For many Europeans, even, those 60 "credits" as you called them is 10 to 20 % of their salaries.

 

Zimmerdylan, it has almost nothing to do with exchange rates, but with regional pricing policy. And, considering various Russian developers and publishers, it has been going on for a very long time.

[shagrat]

The guy who earns 5000 credits, still:

 

Your example presented differently: the first guy spends 2 % of his salary for a DCS module, the 2nd guy spends only 1.2 %.

 

In reality, they both have advantage over many people. For many Europeans, even, those 60 "credits" as you called them is 10 to 20 % of their salaries.

 

Zimmerdylan, it has almost nothing to do with exchange rates, but with regional pricing policy. And, considering various Russian developers and publishers, it has been going on for a very long time.

 

Yep! Exactly... you got my point! Even though the first guy gets the cheaper/ "unfair" price from the price tag perspective, he still has to invest more(!) of his earnings.

 

That makes the different prices a balance between regional living costs, nothing more.

 

...and it definetily is not an "unfair advantage" to live in a country where a DCS module is sold for a lower price as the salary and living costs are on the same level.

 

Or put differently, if somebody feels "cheated" by the price policy, just move to and live in the country with the supposed "better" price? :smilewink: