F-15C + AIM120 So Unfair!

[hitman]

Well everyone who grew up around WonderWoman would know about Linda Carter...and she was my first crush...even though I dont remember how old I was, prolly around 6-8 or something.

[Pilotasso]

Joe Chill. And depending on the version, Joe Chill became the Joker.

 

 

 

 

 

Guess again. Batman's a major psycho too. That's part of what makes him and his vigilante crusade so interesting.

 

 

Its true. Im a total and complete wacko as well. I was buzzed by a 747 when I was a kid, It scared me so much that I always aspired to become a fighter pilot and down everything that flies ever since. But found airliners just arent challenging enough. SO I turned to other air maniacs as well.

 

Maybe I should assume a secret identity...turbine-man, wait..strato-guy how does that sound? Thunder-falcon maybe? I would wear somethin classy, no lycra thats for girls and some "men". Definatly no capes either. They always get snagged somewhere and ruin a heroes (read nutcase) day. And gothic black is out of fashion :)

[hitman]

I always liked ThunderChicken...hell theres even a big truck for you to drive around town fighting...whatever it is that your fighting.

 

[fulcrum251]

Don't sit in flanker's cockpit but work with eagle's memory. :-)

[cool_t]

F-15c

 

To all of you, I would be embarresed to talk big about Su's and migs, we all know about the 120s lack to hit a wall. "RIGHT MUSTANG"

 

The migs now have the clear advantage, the Eagle can just throw spears at migs and hope to hit somthing.

 

And for all of you who dont SPAM Missiles, say this to your enemy in a fire-fight "HEY STOP SPAMMING BULLETS at me!"

 

So stay in your SAM WEZ and sweat it out.

[Frostie]

The migs now have the clear advantage, the Eagle can just throw spears at migs and hope to hit somthing..

 

And for all of you who dont SPAM Missiles, say this to your enemy in a fire-fight "HEY STOP SPAMMING BULLETS at me!"

 

So stay in your SAM WEZ and sweat it out

 

What them Migs with their infinite payload of 4 MRM's , fuel that never burns and a radar so powerful and outreaching you can even pick up your own Signature :shocking:

Seriously apart from having Eos, ET and a slightly smaller radar sig I don't see this distinctly clear advantage that your trying to put across, R77's have a bit of trouble with walls too you know or don't you fly commie style?;)

 

Spamming is a noob tactic ,created by noobs for noobs so noob away ....:D

[Frostie]

OK ,don't get me wrong I truely understand the plight of the AMRAAM ,but to suggest that Eagles are inferior to Mig's and Su's because of this is pure BS , I find it quite well balanced as it happens.

 

And if peeps want to shoot their AMRAAM's then run before they go autonomous then don't expect to hit Sh**.

[D-Scythe]

OK ,don't get me wrong I truely understand the plight of the AMRAAM ,but to suggest that Eagles are inferior to Mig's and Su's because of this is pure BS , I find it quite well balanced as it happens.

 

The point is there SHOULDN'T even be a semblance of balance. IRL, if you want balance between a first generation Su-27 with semi-active radar missiles vs. a second generation F-15C with active radar missiles, you use NUMBERS and team tactics.

[Frostie]

Sorry im misunderstanding here, something is telling me you guys want one way traffic and this is just gonna end up like previous flameage so i will accept the fact that them Eagle flyers must be sh** hot Vpilots to get all them kills with such an inferior tool, and all the Russki boys have got it easy.:fear:

[GGTharos]

I think they're just not looking at the big picture.

 

Stuff isn't going to get 'unbalanced' until things can be appropriately modelled, instead of pitting a modern F-15C vs. an old flanker or mig which realistically has little chance of success.

[S77th-GOYA]

Sorry im misunderstanding here, something is telling me you guys want one way traffic and this is just gonna end up like previous flameage so i will accept the fact that them Eagle flyers must be sh** hot Vpilots to get all them kills with such an inferior tool, and all the Russki boys have got it easy.:fear:

 

 

I can't say what others are thinking but I think LOMAC missile modeling is porked across the board. Including Russian missiles. I hesitate to say because I have not heard any Russian pilots speak of the powers of the 27/33 and 29's avionics, but the porkedness goes beyond missiles.

 

The most distressing part of it is that in LOMAC 1.02, although there were definitely omissions/inaccuracies that needed to be addressed, it seemed to give overall better results in depicting air combat as many of us think it should be. When some of those omissions/inaccuracies were addressed they actually hurt the sim by being overdone or simply traded one inaccuracy for another. One must give ED credit for addressing these things in the first place but a failing grade on actually making the sim more realistic.

[GGTharos]

^^^^ Yep. But they are looking into the matter further - you know how they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

The missile seeker model was tweaked in the hopes of making things more realistic, and in some respect it is, but in some ... flop.

[tflash]

I think the reason why some effects went wrong is precisely a consequence of daring steps to have realistic modelling.

 

If this was a simple scripted sim, with a little algorythm calculating a hit probability on a missile when chaff is being released, it would be easy to "fix" the problem.

 

ED offers us a complex simulation however. Fixing it means solving the parametric dillemma's. In this sense ED is on the one and only right track.

WAFM will certainly add a very interesting dimension to the game.

 

I feel we are just trying to describe as precisely as possible what goes wrong and why, nothing more nothing less. I really look forward to next developments.

[Kevlon]

I would say that the su 27 and the f 15 is more or less the same, none are superior to the other. I mainly fly the su 27 and sometimes it happens you see me flying the bloody fast mig 29s , and i've downed plenty of f 15 , and got downed plenty of times aswell. BUT flying the su 27 against a F 15 you need to be dam good at missile avoidence techniques , thats the only way you can defeat the f15. you dont need to out number it, just need to know where in the sky those pesky amraams are, and keep your eye on the RWR. Im not saying its easy, beacuse its not, but its so much more rewarding getting a kill when facing the enemy all the way and dogding a couple of missiles doing it. Or acutally scaring the F15 and getting it to run back home with its tail between its legs. just as satisfying. ;D

 

Now, i've never bothered to learn how to fly the F 15 . I dont know the weapon systems nor how the missiles preform, so i've actually never gotten a kill in the f1 5 beacuse i've never flown it in combat. But as i mentioned earlier , i dont feel that either of them are superior to the other. When 1 f15 meets a Su 27 , they wont know whos going to survive, its not like the f15 is going to be victorius everytime.

We have to keep in mind that it all depends on the pilot!!! , not the airframe or missiles.!!

 

thats just my 2 gold nuggets