Stock fan, Liquid Cooling or Air Heatsink?

[Demon_]

Fill with some beer instead of water.:thumbup:

[FragBum]

Fill with some beer instead of water.:thumbup:

 

:lol:

[BuzzU]

My guess would be that the first system suffered from improperly applied thermal paste. Too much, or too little, can seriously affect heat transfer.

 

To be fair. It was an Alienware system and a really poorly designed case. It must have been made to have the CPU and the vid card watercooled, because it had no fans. It was impossible to get the vid card cooled. It was a ATI 5870 which is known to run hot. The heat in the case was really hot.

 

I had to run it with the side cover off the case and use a table fan blowing on the card. It still ran too hot and i'd get video locks. I hated that system. I had to give up online play, because of the lockups.

 

The new system's case is well designed with huge fans everywhere. Much quieter than the water cooled system too. I can't hear the fans at all.

 

My point is air cooled can be good if it's well designed. The same with watercooling.

[OnlyforDCS]

Im using an aftermarket Air cooler, based on a recommendation I got on these forums. Im pretty sure I can get the CPU even higher than my fairly modest overclock, but I just haven't yet felt the need.

[Madman777]

The Hyper 212 plus has worked well for me. Although I add another fan for the push/pull config. The only issue I have right now is accessibility to my memory modules. A new motherboard eventually will fix that.

 

 

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[BitMaster]

Who ever said air cooling is more efficient than a proper water based loop is wrong.

 

Still, in the end we all cool with ambient air, correct, what differs is the square area you can use to cool down whatever you want to cool...and that is where large radiators shine, with very little noise.

 

BTW, the cooler in pic is my #1 pick if I dont do WC, the Noctua is top notch, just watch the limitations as you mentioned, space for RAM etc..

[Demon_]

Who ever said air cooling is more efficient than a proper water based loop

 

Him.

[BitMaster]

Him.

 

Yeah, my man !

[BitMaster]

I meant the complete, consumer ready water cooling systems. Not like custom builds.

 

Anything less than Nitro cooling is noob, small, puny. How can you sleep at night...

 

 

LoL

 

You said more efficient. What do you mean with that exactly ?

 

... it's maybe cheaper, more silent out-of-the-box but never leads to higher overclock or cooler temps, at most it matches oc with 1-3°C higher temps when reaching equilibrium.

Dozens, if not hundreds of reviews showed this.

 

They are foremost cheaper, I agree, but more clumpsy same time.

There is no easy "lett's pull the RAM"..or...move that thing over here....that get's tricky with huge coolers.

 

 

just my 2 cents

[RedShoes]

This is how mine looks like;

 

 

...and after doing this, I would say aftermarket Air Heatsink :)

 

Custom water loop is good, neat, nice, quiet and achieves the best cooling effect especially for OC'ed CPU & GPU, but in my view it is over priced and involves too much work both building it and maintaining. Yes, you can perhaps squeeze the last Hz out of your CPU & GPU with it, but you might just as well get un-lucky with the silicon lottery and get a CPU that would not OC any higher with water cooling as with after market air heatsinks.

 

Building you own water loop is a nice hobby though. If you like building your own PC, you prolly enjoy building a custom water loop for it too.

[Andrei]

So, I've had my Corsair H110i GTX for about 6 months and it was happily cooling my i5 2500K. Now, after I got 7700K and overclocking, things started to look ugly. See, the cooling under load was quite alright if the fans were above 60%. But at that point the bloody thing started to sound like UH-1 right at your bedroom. That's also due to the way how the upper grid mesh is done on the top of Define R5 - the airflow gets disturbed and much louder.

 

Still, I was pretty unhappy about the thing, especially since it wasn't that cheap either. So I got the Noctua D15S and I am a happy man now. After some fan re-arrangement in the case, I get almost the same temperatures at a fraction of the noise.

 

So for me it was the case and the point - all things combined air cooling wins. YMMW of course :)

[BitMaster]

I never spend much time arranging cables and would never consider hard tubing.

 

It serves a purpose and I look at a PC as a tool, practical, reliable and service friendly.

 

..and yes..I would never consider an AIO myself, have 1, never again, too loud, I said that

 

before. Better fans make a difference tho.

[BuzzU]

I've had two water cooled system. They were loud. It was the fan on the radiator that made all the racket.

 

I swear this air cooled system I have now is so quiet I had to double check to see if the fans were working. I'm impressed that fans have gotten this quiet.

[Konovalov]

..and yes..I would never consider an AIO myself, have 1, never again, too loud, I said that

 

before. Better fans make a difference tho.

I am considering going down the AIO route. Not traditional AIO though. The EKWB Predator had been the only one I was considering. It is the closest thing to a custom loop without any of the hassle. Effective water cooling without the noisy pissy little pumps and overworked fans of traditional AIO units. Hopefully EKWB release the replacement to the Predator series soon. I bought my Corsair Air 540 case with a view to possibly getting into water cooling down the track. Plenty of room and options for 360, 280, or 240 rads.

[BitMaster]

Employ as many rads as you possibly can. Thats the key to quietness :)

 

 

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[Konovalov]

Stock fan, Liquid Cooling or Air Heatsink?

 

And I agree with you Bit that water cooling a GPU is just if not more important than cooling the CPU. The amount of heat put out into your case from the GPU well exceeds that put out by the CPU.

 

 

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[StandingCow]

And I agree with you Bit that water cooling a GPU is just if not more important than cooling the CPU. The amount of heat put out into your case from the GPU well exceeds that put out by the CPU.

 

 

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I totally agree. And adding to that... it's really weird that manufacturers add double radiators for CPUs in closed loop solutions, but only single rads for GPU solutions... makes no sense.

[Demon_]

Because GPU can run hotter than the CPU, they have larger area. At the same time the GPU chip is not constrained to a die as small as a CPU, thus enabling a GPU chip to have a better tolerance.

 

Video card wattage includes the VRM, the VRAM and others.

 

CPU thermal shutdown is usually set conservatively.

[BitMaster]

Been monitoring, actually streaming 1st time to YT as well, a Mi-8 flight on BF server last night.

 

CPU average wattage at 5G was 48Watts @ 55-65°C

GPU average wattage at 15000/8000 was 148Watts @ solid 45°C

 

tripple the amount of the CPU. Lots of heat and IR radiation inside.

Edited April 22, 2017 by BitMaster

[Demon_]

Only 5G Bit? :D

[Malefic Rage]

I'd say that unless heavily overclocking a custom fan would be best. A stock fan is adequate as it is designed to work with the included CPU however a custom fan will cool your CPU more effectively and much more quietly. Here is what I use be-quiet-pure-rock-cpu-cooler It keeps my Core i5 6600K cool at 4.5GHz overclocked however due to the 40 degree summers and the lack of ventilation in my room I had to reduce it to 4.2GHz to prevent thermal throttling.

[Demon_]

This is the best!!! :D

[BitMaster]

I'd say that unless heavily overclocking a custom fan would be best. A stock fan is adequate as it is designed to work with the included CPU however a custom fan will cool your CPU more effectively and much more quietly. Here is what I use be-quiet-pure-rock-cpu-cooler It keeps my Core i5 6600K cool at 4.5GHz overclocked however due to the 40 degree summers and the lack of ventilation in my room I had to reduce it to 4.2GHz to prevent thermal throttling.

 

 

There is no more "stock" fan that comes with the Intel CPU's.

 

The only difference is packaging...and that determines who will give you support: Boxed = Intel; Tray = Point of Sales

 

 

My friend next door has a DR3pro on his i5.....its OK but loud when needed most and so clumsy, no RAM but very ordinary modules fit. He would never buy it again due to little oc headroom and RAM clearance....he looks at CWL.

[Malefic Rage]

There is no more "stock" fan that comes with the Intel CPU's.

 

The only difference is packaging...and that determines who will give you support: Boxed = Intel; Tray = Point of Sales

 

AFIK the unlocked K CPU variants since Skylake don't come with a stock cooler but the standard ones still do. I think the same applies with the latest top-end AMD CPUs as well.

[Gault05]

AFIK the unlocked K CPU variants since Skylake don't come with a stock cooler but the standard ones still do. I think the same applies with the latest top-end AMD CPUs as well.

 

I got a recent FX-8350 8-core CPU that came with its own fan along with a Hyper 212 heatsink fan as well from AMD. Maybe some companies include it while others just send the chip.