MiG-35 and MiG-29SMT presentation

[Kusch]

Thanks :thumbup:

[Alfa_Kilo]

Thanks a lot guys.

 

The mirror scan the air space of +/-90 degrees horizontally and -15/+60 deg vertically. Target can be detected from 45 km (rear hemispere) and 15km (front). Laser rangefinder work in two modes. Training (safe for eyes) and combat, in a range from 200 m up to 15 km.

 

They have improved the azimuth coverage in OLS-UEM over the base line MiG-29 IRST, which was restricted between +/-30’ (+/-60’ in Su-27).

http://www.rusarm.ru/cataloque/airf0rces_cataloque.html

 

I wonder what the laser RF does in combat mode… :music_whistling:

[Alfa_Kilo]

MiG-35 & MiG-29KUB have downward firing flares like most western a/c. But I feel the usual Russian upwards launching flares should be more effective, as they tend to stay in the circle with a turning a/c. Downward firing flares will project a much higher angular seperation rate to the missile seeker, making it easier to filter them out. They should be less effective during low level flight also.

[Kusch]

First Algerian MiG-29UBT

 

[Pilotasso]

Darn! they did buy them?!

 

Shaisse...

[RvETito]

MiG-35 & MiG-29KUB have downward firing flares like most western a/c. But I feel the usual Russian upwards launching flares should be more effective, as they tend to stay in the circle with a turning a/c. Downward firing flares will project a much higher angular seperation rate to the missile seeker, making it easier to filter them out. They should be less effective during low level flight also.

 

My understanding is that downward firing flares would be more effective against IR SAMs while the upward launched should be more helpful against IR AAMs.

[RvETito]

First Algerian MiG-29UBT

 

 

UBT? What's the T standing for? It lacks the conform fuel tanks on the upper fuselage. From what I've read about the SMT the rear conform tank can be installed in service but for the front the A/C must go to a production/overhaul factory.

[Alfa]

UBT? What's the T standing for? It lacks the conform fuel tanks on the upper fuselage. From what I've read about the SMT the rear conform tank can be installed in service but for the front the A/C must go to a production/overhaul factory.

 

Same as the "T" in SMT :) . The "UBT" is the SMT style upgrade(with a different radar though) for the MiG-29UB.

[Alfa_Kilo]

The extra fuel tanks in the SMT & UBT are optional, all cutomers have not opted for them. MiG-29SMTs with Yemen have an airframe very similar to the 9.12 MiG-29s.

Search 'MiG-29SMT' on airliners.net and you will find a bunch of pictures of a non hump-back SMT in desert camo.

[RvETito]

Same as the "T" in SMT :) . The "UBT" is the SMT style upgrade(with a different radar though) for the MiG-29UB.

 

Yes, I know what it means Jens;)- T=Toplivo or 'Fuel' in english. But a plane without the conform tanks isn't quiet corresponding to the designation it' has been given. May be they have cancelled the conform tanks(thank God, the SMT/UBT looks like fat pig with them that makes me when I see it) and kept only the IFR probe as it is probably giving them enough range. Is there any news about this algerian SMT/UBTs? I mean are they modified 9-12Bs or new built frames? And their engines, avionics and weaponry?

[Kusch]

http://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/2-2006/item3/item1/

 

 

''The Russian Airplane Building Corporation MiG, in accordance with a contract signed recently, will delivery in the coming years to Algeria on the order of 70 multirole MiG-29 fighters.

 

“The other day a contract was signed for the delivery to Algeria of nearly 40 MiG-29 fighters,” a source in the defense industrial complex reported to Interfax-AVN on Tuesday.

 

He noted that the option for another approximately 30 airplanes also is provided by the contract. “Thus, in the coming years, on the order of 70 MiG-29 airplanes will be delivered by the MiG airplane building corporation to Algeria,” the agency’s source said. According to him, the total cost of the contract will be more than 1.5 billion dollars. Payment for the airplanes being delivered will be made both toward the reduction of Russia’s state debt and with “hard currency.”

 

The MiG-29 fighters being delivered to Algeria will be executed in the MiG-29SMT modification. Earlier airplanes of this type were delivered only to Yemen. The MiG-29SMT is a qualitatively new version of the lightweight MiG-29 tactical fighter. It has in its arsenal a broad range of different aerial weaponry of the air-to-air and air-to-surface class. The airplane is able with high effectiveness to execute mission for the destruction both of aerial and of ground and surface targets.

 

As a result of the upgrade, the combat effectiveness of the MiG-29SMT has grown on average of 3 times and the cost of usage has decreased approximately by 40 percent. The MIG-29SMT’s equipment suite includes the “Zhuk-MEh” new generation jamming resistant aircraft radar, which was developed by the Fazotron-NIIR corporation, and new cockpit instrumentation developed by the Ramenskoye Instrument Building Design Bureau.''

[AlexHunter]

OLS Мig-35

Setting: intended for setting on the airplanes of type Mig. The station decides the followings tasks: search, discovery, capture and autoaccompaniment of air and surface aims with determination of three-dimensional parameters of their relative motion: angular co-ordinates, distance, angular, linear speeds and accelerations; delivery of geometrical look of aims for recognition a pilot.

http://www.niipp-moskva.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=35&lang=en

[Groove]

I need an abo of NWT !

 

I have some real old versions of this excellent info source at home.

[Kusch]

I need an abo of NWT !

 

I have some real old versions of this excellent info source at home.

 

Online shop...

 

http://www.sklep.magnum-x.pl/

 

...and online magazine

 

http://www.e-kiosk.pl/issue,207,nowa_technika_wojskowa

[Kusch]

MiG-35 sensor (OLS) video

 

http://www.aviapedia.com/video/new-mig-35-ols-video

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

It is interesting indeed to see Russians continuing to improve optical technology on their aircraft. Stealth as in case of F-22, F-35 is good until they turn the radar on. Optical infrared systems are not stealth, they are invisible to opponent.

[Pilotasso]

It is interesting indeed to see Russians continuing to improve optical technology on their aircraft. Stealth as in case of F-22, F-35 is good until they turn the radar on. Optical infrared systems are not stealth, they are invisible to opponent.

 

F-22's and F-35's AESA LPI radars are not interceptable by any known system on board of any fighter yet. BTW the F-22 cannot be designated by IRST in frontal aspect even in visual range, there are reports of that. Its just apalling the way you speculate with litle knoewlege.

[Force_Feedback]

And if you actually understood what they said, you'd know the detection range is 15 km from the front and 45 from the rear aspect.... For a mig-29...

 

So even if it sees the f-22 from 30km, an amraam will already be on its way. Sure, it actually 'sees' things from that far, but detection range wise nothing has changed, or at least to the lead constructor. The cool thing is that the system can identify what kind of plane that is (good IFF advantage), but besides the 'smarts', it still can't detect fighters at 100km from the front aspect, so yes it gives you great SA and more effective countermeasure deployment, but nothing more.

 

Ground pounding wise this system is very useful, it identifies threat vehicles and aircraft, decides upon deployment of countermeasures. The head also says that future developments would be to improve the system's intelligence rather than increasing detection range. Also, this system is not related to the vanilla EOS system on the su-27/mig-29, so no 'yeah, but in the mig manual...'

[Pilotasso]

FF your embarking on a dangerous old road there, and you know where its heading. :D

[Esac_mirmidon]

" It is interesting indeed to see Russians continuing to improve optical technology on their aircraft. "

 

This is speculation? well, i think nobody could said that this is not true. Russians are improving OLS systems, this itґs just fact, nothing else.

 

" Stealth as in case of F-22, F-35 is good until they turn the radar on. "

 

Well another fact, no problem in my opinion here. Also F-22 or F-35 with radar on means that radar waves are emitted and the CPO of the Mig could detect this emisions.. ( This is totally different to " interceptable " ). Again no speculation at all.

 

Did you mean that the radar emissions of the F-22 and F-35 couldnґt be detected by any CPO system ? this radar waves are stealth also?

 

" Optical infrared systems are not stealth, they are invisible to opponent. "

 

Again a fact, no a opinion. EOS systems are pure pasive, ( well if you have onboard a Laser Warning Receiver not so pasive ) but in a normal scenario this is true. Again no speculation at all.

 

In this post of Hajduk i canґt see speculation about nothing.

 

I canґt find where in this post he said that an OLS system could detect in front aspect a F-22 or his radar could be intercepted.

 

If someone could explain this to clarify ? ....

[Святой]

F-22's and F-35's AESA LPI radars are not interceptable by any known system on board of any fighter yet.

...of Any fighter? Even by the F-22's RWR placed in other F-22?

What is LPI in this context? Radars and radio transmittion system's feature at all, which of F-22 and F-35 radars has, or specific mode of F-22 and F-35 radar with less probability of signal intercept and limited range and others limitations? Are there LPI and non-LPI modes present in this devices?

BTW the F-22 cannot be designated by IRST in frontal aspect even in visual range, there are reports of that.

I heard about test with F-15 radar, which can't detect and lock a F-22 even in visual range. Nothing about of same test with IRST. It will be interesting to look at this.

Maximal detection range for head-on airborne target (not for stealth target aircraft, for MiG-29 for example in this film) of this OLS (which has both optical and IR channel) is 15 km - in WWR.

[Pilotasso]

...of Any fighter? Even by the F-22's RWR placed in other F-22?

What is LPI in this context? Radars and radio transmittion system's feature at all, which of F-22 and F-35 radars has, or specific mode of F-22 and F-35 radar with less probability of signal intercept and limited range and others limitations? Are there LPI and non-LPI modes present in this devices?

 

Im not an expert at electronics but some AESA radars can pool their frequencies in such a way that the listening devices either wont be able to sync or pick just ramdom pulses of any given frequencie(s) and are filtered out of the systems noise control. If you didnt filter you would pick up the Raptors radar alright, it just wouldnt be distinguishable from any other radio source. Kinda like trying to hear someones voice inside a stadium full of cheerful fans.

 

I heard about test with F-15 radar, which can't detect and lock a F-22 even in visual range. Nothing about of same test with IRST. It will be interesting to look at this.

Maximal detection range for head-on airborne target (not for stealth target aircraft, for MiG-29 for example in this film) of this OLS (which has both optical and IR channel) is 15 km - in WWR.

 

A red flag exercise described in Code one magazine quotes an angry pilot after he had been "killed" while he was trying to aquire a Raptor in visual range with his helmet sight. It wouldnt lock and was declared dead right after. I had the Magazine and there is a quote somewhere in F-16.net forums.

[RvETito]

I will highly appreciate if you cut the boring to death F-22 conversation or at least bring in another topic because I don't want this one to get locked and we know that this is how F-22 threads usualy end up. It says MiG-35 and as you can see it lasts for much longer than any F-22 thread. And this mainly thanks to Kusch who periodically finds interesting pics, videos or articles about this very interesting last MiG-29 variant. Thank you Kusch.

[nscode]

Im not an expert at electronics but some AESA radars can pool their frequencies in such a way that the listening devices either wont be able to sync or pick just ramdom pulses of any given frequencie(s) and are filtered out of the systems noise control. If you didnt filter you would pick up the Raptors radar alright, it just wouldnt be distinguishable from any other radio source. Kinda like trying to hear someones voice inside a stadium full of cheerful fans.

 

Actually, it's only good against present RWRs. It's possible to develop a RWR that can detect LPI, but it's just that you have to count it in. A bigger advantage is that IT is less susceptible to noise (like spread spectrum in radio communications).

[Force_Feedback]

All I tried to say that the new OLS system is not some uber-anti stealth device to dominate skies and spread US, errm Russian propaganda all over the net.

 

The advantage of the new system is the ability to identify aircraft at WVR ranges (a human eye can't see the difference between different fighters at 15km), and more importantly present it to the pilot in a visual form, so he too can see what is flying up there. The same applies for down below, allows for tracking of targets and automatic target recognition. The missile and laser warning system gives the vector of the threat, and deploys countermeasures if needed. It also gives better situational awareness for the crew.

I would say this aircraft is perfect for it's probable intended role: ground pounding at stand off ranges, to fight insurgents. And that is a smart decision, because making an air dominance-only plane is not suitable for this time.