Shader problems (8800 gts, vista)

[peterj]

With full shadows there's external glitches, at other settings there's cockpit glitches. Looking all to the left sometimes reveal glitches, retacting the gear sometimes removes them.

 

What do you say?

 

 

Full shadows

 

 

All planar shadows

 

 

edit, I meant to post this in tech discussion.

[Pilotasso]

Vista sucks for gaming right now, thats all theres to it. LOMAC is not the problem not even your system. Its the driversa re not mature to play in VISTA.

 

Also theres a rampaging mass protest of 8800 cards with thousands of users cloggin NVIDIA's forums with their angry posts for not having their cards working on VISTA as advertized.

 

Im sticking with XP for quite a while yet.

[f-18hornet]

You can write your problem here too.

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=23479&st=20

[51GRIZZLY]

 

Im sticking with XP for quite a while yet.

 

Same here Pilotasso ..... I guess about a year from now the worst bugs will be sorted out until then its still XP for me.:thumbup:

[peterj]

Thanks

To bad it wasn't vista related, I'm sure nvidia will resolve these issues before Black Shark is released *cough* ..

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

I will be buying GTS 8800 in June. I sure hope NVIDIA will do something about all this driver problems.

[Guest IguanaKing]

I'll be sticking with XP until it is no longer viable. I am now a firm believer in the policy..."If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

[PoleCat]

With full shadows there's external glitches, at other settings there's cockpit glitches. Looking all to the left sometimes reveal glitches, retacting the gear sometimes removes them.

 

What do you say?

 

 

Full shadows

 

 

All planar shadows

 

 

edit, I meant to post this in tech discussion.

 

To eliminate this under vista set visib Range to LOW.

 

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[PoleCat]

Vista sucks for gaming right now, thats all theres to it. LOMAC is not the problem not even your system. Its the driversa re not mature to play in VISTA.

 

Also theres a rampaging mass protest of 8800 cards with thousands of users cloggin NVIDIA's forums with their angry posts for not having their cards working on VISTA as advertized.

 

Im sticking with XP for quite a while yet.

 

The "sucks" part that you speak of is definitely much more to do with drivers then Vista. So much so that I would not have chosen to use the words "Vista sucks for gaming right now" as that is not really true at all. This I can tell you from experience. I am running Vista across the LAN now and it is not too bad at all. On my personal machine I am running ultimate on a 300GB Raid0 array and XP on a 600Gb Raid0 array. Switch between them in the BIOS. LO is running with some Graphic anomilies due to crappy drivers. Armed Assult runs superb on Vista. Don't bash it if you haven't yet been there. This will most likely be a fine Gaming OS in many fewer months then every one here thinks. Far fewer than was the case with XP in fact. And I do not see too much trouble with my 8800gts either. About what I might expect for a brand new card and a brand new OS. And I am Loving every minute of it.

 

It is now as it was when XP was released and people were shouting NEVER. I love Windows 98/ME! Sound familiar? And here we gooooooooo again.

 

Technology, embrace it and learn to love it or stay behind and play space invaders!:joystick:

 

After all as Mr Gates said in 1981 "No one will ever need more then 640k of RAM."

 

Stop living in the past man!:huh:

 

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[Ice]

Well said Paul.

[fretwear]

Threads like these make me glad I went with ATi. :smartass:

[Floyd]

Vista drivers seem to be beta and people running the OS should be aware

that they are beta testers. To each his own, but why people try to fix a perfect

running system/graphic combo is hard to understand, especially if the new

software is slower ...

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/17/gameplay-only-gets-worse-with-vista/

http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/02/02/nvidia_lawsuit_vista_drivers/

[f-18hornet]

Well, will BS be compatble with NVidia's drivers? Or with ATI's drivers only.:cry:

[Guest Dagooz]

With full Shadows I hav the same problem but with win XP. I also have an 8800gts. There is no problems with all planar though and I kinda like that better since the planes are less shiny that way :-)

[PoleCat]

Nvidias drivers have some problems in LOMAC but all in all do not suck at all IMHO. I went back to Nvidia for a number of reasons including Native stereo shutter glass suppport, frequent driver releases, and all in all very stable and competetive drivers to ATI. I do feel that at this time the IQ of the ATI drivers is better in general. I feel in no time my 8800gts will come into its own with better drivers. I love this card! I think anyone would!

 

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[PoleCat]

Vista drivers seem to be beta and people running the OS should be aware

that they are beta testers. To each his own, but why people try to fix a perfect

running system/graphic combo is hard to understand, especially if the new

software is slower ...

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/17/gameplay-only-gets-worse-with-vista/

http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/02/02/nvidia_lawsuit_vista_drivers/

 

The same could be said and was true of every new OS release from Windows 3.1 all the way to XP.

 

Why did we move from DOS to win 3.1 and then to 95 then to 98 then to ME then to 2000 and then to XP? Now isn't that a silly silly question. It is only a matter of time isn't it. Stop living in the past man!

 

Sorry Vista is not beta and OLD benchmarks are irrelevant until we get some better drivers. Those tests are already old and were done with very early Vista BETA drivers and against mature XP drivers. I have both XP Pro and Vista32 in dual boot. I can't help but keep gravitating to Vista. It is really cool. Love learning a new OS too. There are some problems that need to be worked out of course, some trouble shooting to be done and most of all better drivers to be released. But it is very stable across multiple machines.

 

If you must play the blame game I suggest you blame Nvidia, ATI, Intel, AMD, Creative Labs etc. for not releasing perfect drivers right at launch that can make this brand new OS run better then WinXP SP/2. Can you say unfair and unrealistic expectations? Vista is doing better upon release then XP did in terms of functionality and even driver support. Class action lawsuits are a dime a dozen in this industry too. It means nothing. Google Class action lawsuit and ANY of the above companies...Surprise!

 

Don't think for one minute that the above companies are not working much harder right now at supporting Vista rather then XP. Have you perhaps noticed that AMD/ATI and Nvidia are focusing almost ALL of their resources on Vista drivers and support. It has been a while since I have seen a new XP driver from Nvidia but I have seen 3 beta vista drivers...hmmmm I wonder what this means for the near future?

 

No Vista is not ready at this very instant to run all of your games perfect. No more than XP could upon its release. But it will be one heck of an OS and an excellent gaming platform in less time then most would think. To say otherwise just shows you have not yet used it at all.

 

 

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[Floyd]

The same could be said and was true of every new OS release from Windows 3.1 all the way to XP.

 

Why did we move from DOS to win 3.1 and then to 95 then to 98 then to ME then to 2000 and then to XP? Now isn't that a silly silly question. It is only a matter of time isn't it. Stop living in the past man!

 

Sorry Vista is not beta and OLD benchmarks are irrelevant until we get some better drivers. Those tests are already old and were done with very early Vista BETA drivers and against mature XP drivers. I have both XP Pro and Vista32 in dual boot. I can't help but keep gravitating to Vista. It is really cool. Love learning a new OS too. There are some problems that need to be worked out of course, some trouble shooting to be done and most of all better drivers to be released. But it is very stable across multiple machines.

 

If you must play the blame game I suggest you blame Nvidia, ATI, Intel, AMD, Creative Labs etc. for not releasing perfect drivers right at launch that can make this brand new OS run better then WinXP SP/2. Can you say unfair and unrealistic expectations? Vista is doing better upon release then XP did in terms of functionality and even driver support. Class action lawsuits are a dime a dozen in this industry too. It means nothing. Google Class action lawsuit and ANY of the above companies...Surprise!

 

Don't think for one minute that the above companies are not working much harder right now at supporting Vista rather then XP. Have you perhaps noticed that ATI and Nvidia are focusing almost ALL of their resources on Vista drivers and support. It has been a while since I have seen a new XP driver from Nvidia but I have seen 3 beta vista drivers...hmmmm I wonder what this means for the near future?

 

No Vista is not ready at this very instant to run all of your games perfect. No more than XP could upon its release. But it will be one heck of an OS and an excellent gaming platform in less time then most would think. To say otherwise just shows you have not yet used it at all.

 

 

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If you'd read my posting - i said the drivers are beta. If you take the time to check nvidia.com, select driver for vista 32bit, you'll get

 

ForceWare Release 100

Version: 100.59

Release Date: January 31, 2007

Beta Driver

 

Stop living in the past? Haha, you stop living in the future! That is all you're suggesting. There is -no- reason to move to vista today - concerning Lomac.

You install vista to have a new toy to play with, i install new OS to have at least

the same performance while running my actual software suite. XP will be

supported till 2012 and there is no need to lurk people with perfect running

systems to the dark side.

 

'nuff said

[f-18hornet]

:( So my next card will probably be by ATI.

[PoleCat]

It is expected that the 8800 cards will have issues. They are brand new. I do not think that this will be for long. Do you? Really?

[G3]

arh, the old debate of when to and what to upgrade, i love it

its nearly as good as the 'fanboy' video card arguments.

 

for those that embrace the new technology, wether it be hardware or software, i say well done.

i need people like yourselves to find the bugs etc so they can get sorted out in the next service pack or driver release.

so that when i finally get my hands on one it works like a charm.

 

you cannot deny that early adopters/adapters are in fact unofficial beta testers, the advantage is that a solid knowledge of the new item is gained and those who hold back do in a way get sort of left behind, as i discovered when i recently upgraded to a new phone after several years of thinking they were just for making calls :D

 

so rather than live in the past, or the future, i like to live in the now :)

[PoleCat]

If you'd read my posting - i said the drivers are beta. If you take the time to check nvidia.com, select driver for vista 32bit, you'll get

 

ForceWare Release 100

Version: 100.59

Release Date: January 31, 2007

Beta Driver

 

Stop living in the past? Haha, you stop living in the future! That is all you're suggesting. There is -no- reason to move to vista today - concerning Lomac.

You install vista to have a new toy to play with, i install new OS to have at least

the same performance while running my actual software suite. XP will be

supported till 2012 and there is no need to lurk people with perfect running

systems to the dark side.

 

'nuff said

 

No Windows OS has ever offered the performance you speak of at release. NONE. So that arguement would have precluded your original purchase of XP as well. There are also some people still running Win98/ME and support for that just ran out so that is also no valid arguement. My guess is that you will be alone if you are still running WINXP in 2012. Much sooner I would guess actually.

 

I would not expect LOMAC to run without issues on an OS it was never intended for and I never said that there was reason for moving to Vista today for gaming. (Other then of course knowing enough about the OS to help people like you sort out your troubles when you finally do take the plunge in a few months).:thumbup: Where do you get that I am luring people?

 

Really my point is that Vista is no where near as bad as is being portrayed even given the beta drivers etc. It runs Lomac with driver issues at very high frame rates now. Once the driver issues are sorted out I expect it will be just fine. Again, it is better at launch for most of my hardware/software/games than XP was when I got that on the day of release.

 

So many comments are based on any thing BUT first hand experience. I am actually using it on multiple platforms and I am finding far fewer issues in general then what has been reported. I submit to you that you would be pleasently surprised and that your opinion would at least soften considerably were you to actually get your hands on it in some way. IMHO It will be the preferred gaming platform for the majority of us in no time at all. I would be willing to bet much sooner then 2012 too.:megalol:

 

By the way, I have installed Vista for my work and for much the same reasons as you do not as a new toy to play with as you put it. Kind of rude.

 

I am a technician and as such I take my craft very seriously. I am using Vista now both for my own education and to benefit my customers when I am supporting this OS on their new machines.

 

Living in the future for the benefit of all!

 

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[T4L0N]

I have Vista and running with LockOn FC and BF2142 just perfectly (ATI 9700 Pro) and running even better than with the same system and XP Pro on it (more fps). The problems with the 8800 video cards is not a Vista or XP issue, since the forums are flooded with people having issues with the 8800's first in XP and now recently in Vista.

Its a video card driver issue, not an OS issue. The initial 8800 drivers seem to be plagued with many problems it seems.

 

By the way, since I have made the laptop dual boot with XP Pro and Vista Ultimate, I was able to go back and forth to compare my findings on the more FPS. I am not saying Vista is problem free, but rather the problem lies on those new video cards or their drivers.

As for myself and Vista, so far it has been a godsend as it has been the easiest OS to install from MS for me to date and it also has given my laptop alot more FPS in the games I play. Maybe it wasn't Vista, but rather the new ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 Pro drivers for Vista.

[PoleCat]

This isn't about fanboi anything. I could care less about brands, I just care about what works. Right now it's nVidia's drivers and it's been that way for over a year. This tells me they're out of touch with their customers. 4 years ago ATI was that way. Things change and I'll spend my money with the best hardware/software component.

 

 

Hey Rugg I understand perfectly what you are saying here. If it were not that I wanted eventual Stereo shutter glass support and needed to get a new card I may have opted for ATI. But I was buying and it had to be DX10 or why bother, the 8800 was there. It is an incredible card really. The drivers will come. They may or may not fix the issue with LOMAC but my understanding is that the issue is game specific. Truthfully it does not bother me at all and I have been flying LO on many high end Nvidia cards over the past few years. Maybe I do not know what I am missing.

 

Although much is yet to be seen after the AMD/ATI merger I am hopefull that the competition will remain strong and that we the gamers will reap the benefits of those advances.

 

To each his own.

 

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[PoleCat]

I have Vista and running with LockOn FC and BF2142 just perfectly (ATI 9700 Pro) and running even better than with the same system and XP Pro on it (more fps). The problems with the 8800 video cards is not a Vista or XP issue, since the forums are flooded with people having issues with the 8800's first in XP and now recently in Vista.

Its a video card issue, not an OS issue. The initial 8800's seem to be plagued with many problems it seems.

 

By the way, since I have made the laptop dual boot with XP Pro and Vista Ultimate, I was able to go back and forth to compare my findings on the more FPS. I am not saying Vista is problem free, but rather the problem lies on those new video cards or their drivers.

 

Could not agree more. Another actual hands on encounter. Very good.:thumbup:

 

I am using an 8800GTS on two systems in my LAN. They run all my games just fine with a few small glitches much like issues experienced with any new card and driver set. BF2142 works perfectly well for me under XP as does every other sim I use Lomac, LOBS, IL2, Silent Hunter, Steel beasts Pro PE etc...

No show stoppers or even reason to regret the jump from the 7950GT to the 8800GTS. I will do more testing gaming under Vista in the coming days and let you all know what I find out. If you care to know.

 

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[Floyd]

No Windows OS has ever offered the performance you speak of at release. NONE. So that arguement would have precluded your original purchase of XP as well. There are also some people still running Win98/ME and support for that just ran out so that is also no valid arguement. My guess is that you will be alone if you are still running WINXP in 2012. Much sooner I would guess actually.

 

You are the one talking about vista, i'd talked about drivers. We've tested vista in

my office (working at university, 700 computer) and i tell you, it just plain crashed.

So no vista for my users this year. Some people will be using XP in 2012 as some

people are using Win98 today. I see no reason to move to vista today if one has

a running system. Only trouble ahead - read the nVidia fora.

 

I would not expect LOMAC to run without issues on an OS it was never intended for and I never said that there was reason for moving to Vista today for gaming. (Other then of course knowing enough about the OS to help people like you sort out your troubles when you finally do take the plunge in a few months).:thumbup: Where do you get that I am luring people?

 

Really my point is that Vista is no where near as bad as is being portrayed even given the beta drivers etc. It runs Lomac with driver issues at very high frame rates now. Once the driver issues are sorted out I expect it will be just fine. Again, it is better at launch for most of my hardware/software/games than XP was when I got that on the day of release.

I do not argue about vista, i argue about the drivers :doh:

Man, even Nvidia calls their drivers beta. And what kind of logic is it

that vista is running less worse than XP did some years ago?

 

So many comments are based on any thing BUT first hand experience. I am actually using it on multiple platforms and I am finding far fewer issues in general then what has been reported. I submit to you that you would be pleasently surprised and that your opinion would at least soften considerably were you to actually get your hands on it in some way. IMHO It will be the preferred gaming platform for the majority of us in no time at all. I would be willing to bet much sooner then 2012 too.:megalol:

Nice. I'll join the club when i can be sure the issues are sorted. And if vista is only half

as great as you wanna make me believe, then i'm sure it will run just great on my

system.

 

By the way, I have installed Vista for my work and for much the same reasons as you do not as a new toy to play with as you put it. Kind of rude.

 

I am a technician and as such I take my craft very seriously. I am using Vista now both for my own education and to benefit my customers when I am supporting this OS on their new machines.

 

Living in the future for the benefit of all!

 

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