new map request

[muehlema]

Hey

 

So many people, every year come to Switzerland, even from Australia and New Zealand just for the sake of see the life firing of our Air Force in the Axalp Shooting Ranch.

 

Why not to build Switzerland Map and the four main Airbases, LSMM, LSMP, LSMM, LSGS

 

The Axalp shooting ranch would be fun to fly, specially in the narrow mountains

 

We got the Tiger F5

We will get the F/18C very soon

 

All that lacks is a very little country ;)

 

Thanks

Edited January 9, 2018 by muehlema

[NeilWillis]

Definitely a warfare hotspot Switzerland! What we really need, another training range. Oh hang on, when was the last war there? I suspect the aeroplane hadn't even been invented last time there was any fighting there!

[QuiGon]

Definitely a warfare hotspot Switzerland! What we really need, another training range. Oh hang on, when was the last war there? I suspect the aeroplane hadn't even been invented last time there was any fighting there!

 

Last time the swiss air force went into action was 1940-1944, when they defended their borders and neutrality against axis and allied aircraft:

The first serious combat involving the Swiss Air Force began in June 1940. In six days of aerial battles, eleven German aircraft were downed, with a loss of two Swiss aircraft and three airmen killed.

[...]

In September 1944, the last Swiss airman died in combat, shot down by an American P-51 Mustang while escorting a crippled U.S. B-17 Flying Fortress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Swiss_Air_Force#World_War_II

 

But yeah, I agree, while beeing a very nice map it has no real releveance in DCS.

Edited January 9, 2018 by QuiGon

[Pluscrafter]

The last "real" war in Switzerland was in 1847 and lasted for 1 month.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderbund_War

In my village near Zurich a plane from the Swiss Air Force, crashed during WWII. The was shooted down by a Mustang,

because the american Pilot has mixed the swiss plane with a german one. It was a Messerschmitt Bf 109E

http://warbird.ch/wb-events/luftkampf-ueber-der-schweiz/

Edited January 9, 2018 by Pluscrafter

[BaD CrC]

:). this is the funniest request I have read for a long time. I wondered while reading if it was 2nd degree but apparently not.

Sure, nobody wants to fly a military sim to Afghanistan, Irak, Ukraine and Crimea or even an extended version of Caucasus to the east to the Caspian sea. So boring. ED made it clear they won't do it anyway. So let's all go Switzerland!:)))

[toni]

YEEEAAAAAAAAHHH AXALP Shooting Range ! would be fantastic as a second Training Location here in Europe.

[Northstar98]

I can see the viewpoint of others, but lets be real here - any new map is good for DCS in some way, wonder how difficult it'll be finding source material to model Afghanistan, then again I could be talking out of my backside...

 

I'd personally prefer map extensions for the current Caucasus, yes Crimea and yes Caspian Sea, but also maybe the Bosphorus straits/Sea of Marmara?

[Weasel]

Switzerland would be a fantastic map but just for the landscape. It would be looking awesome in DCS 2.5, especially with the winter textures. But that's it. It's too boring for fighter action as Switzerland doesn't play the A/G role. Just a map because of the Axalp training ranch with the gun? Oh yes and in January there will be CAP during the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos. Then I definitely prefer an Alaska map to play Red Flag Alaska.

[muehlema]

Switzerland would be a fantastic map but just for the landscape. It would be looking awesome in DCS 2.5, especially with the winter textures. But that's it. It's too boring for fighter action as Switzerland doesn't play the A/G role. Just a map because of the Axalp training ranch with the gun? Oh yes and in January there will be CAP during the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos. Then I definitely prefer an Alaska map to play Red Flag Alaska.

 

Its the reality for a Swiss Airforce Pilot. Air-to-air, sleeve target shooting in the Wallis, arrested landing practice and for a very little amount of pilots, carrier qualification in the US. For Sidewinder shooting SAF goes to Nevada anyway ;) We already got that map.

 

 

I have flow so many CAP sorties in the 80th/90th and not a single encounter.

 

For me, this would be sufficient to have a perfectly simulated F/A-18C with the Swiss map.

[flanker1]

we need cold war former eastern germany / poland map anno 1986. . .

[QuiGon]

Yes, DCS Fulda Gap 1985 is badly needed!

[Weasel]

Its the reality for a Swiss Airforce Pilot. Air-to-air, sleeve target shooting in the Wallis, arrested landing practice and for a very little amount of pilots, carrier qualification in the US. For Sidewinder shooting SAF goes to Nevada anyway ;) We already got that map.

 

 

I have flow so many CAP sorties in the 80th/90th and not a single encounter.

 

For me, this would be sufficient to have a perfectly simulated F/A-18C with the Swiss map.

Yes that's the reality. But they also train air refueling together with tanker from France, Italy & Germany

[muehlema]

Yes that's the reality. But they also train air refueling together with tanker from France, Italy & Germany

 

Correct. Sorry if my list wasn't complete.

 

The participate in NATO Tiger Meets, RIAT, Norway night trainings, airshows, ...

[NeilWillis]

Last time the swiss air force went into action was 1940-1944, when they defended their borders and neutrality against axis and allied aircraft:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Swiss_Air_Force#World_War_II

 

But yeah, I agree, while beeing a very nice map it has no real releveance in DCS.

 

There is a vast difference between a border skirmish and a war. Consult International Law to get the exact definition of a war.

 

When you look at all the possibilities of a map suitable for a combat simulator, I can think of dozens that would precede Switzerland.

 

Here's a possible list:

 

Any other part of Europe - except all the neutral bits.

Any part of Asia.

Any part of Australasia and the Pacific.

Any part of Africa.

Any part of the Americas.

Any part of the Arctic.

Any part of the Antarctic.

Then comes Switzerland and any other neutral regions of the world.

 

Sort of gives you an idea of the priorities of the majority of people not living working or flying in Switzerland really.

[QuiGon]

I know what the definition of war is, hence my wording "went into action" instead of "went to war".

 

I also said in that very comment that a Switzerland map would have no relevance in DCS.

[NeilWillis]

Yep, I'm not disputing anything you said, but you quoted me, and I said "warfare". Hence the response.

 

Nothing confrontational intended.

[QuiGon]

Yep, I'm not disputing anything you said, but you quoted me, and I said "warfare". Hence the response.

 

Nothing confrontational intended.

 

Alright then :thumbup:

Edited January 11, 2018 by QuiGon

[NeilWillis]

:thumbup:

[pat.]

Hello Guys

I wanted to revive this thread from Hibernation...so

I think a Switzerland map would be awesome...And yes i know, this era has never seen combat or a conflict since the end of World War II. But despite that i think it would be a great addition to DCS World. The scenery is beautiful with its mountains, valleys and lakes. Blowing up tanks is fun but cruising through Valleys is awesome too. Just look at the Videos i've linked below.

Something cool about the Swiss Air Force are the "Flugzeugkavernen oder Stollen". Basically a "fully operational Air Force Base inside a Mountain". Sounds cool doesn't it?

Here a video of the "Flugzeugkaverne"

And a Video from the Swiss Air Force showcasing its beautiful scenery

 

And a Video from the mighty Hawker Hunter (Maybe someone decides to make one full fidelity)