black-ninja2007 Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 The real helicopter delay 2 or 3 minutes for start full the engines. Will lockon Black-Shark have realistic engine startup??
GGTharos Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 It takes time to spool up the engines. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Aeroscout Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 Are the actual proceedures accurate? DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
ED Team Laivynas Posted February 13, 2007 ED Team Posted February 13, 2007 Yes, sure. :) Best Regards, Dmitry. "Чтобы дойти до цели, надо прежде всего идти." © О. Бальзак
Aeroscout Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 sweet! DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
GGTharos Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 Yeah, like try not turning on the fuel pumps ... or releasing the fuel cutoffs. "My engines won't spin up!" "Did you turn on the fuel?" "Did you power up the APU?" GG mutters ... Gives a whole new meaning to 'how do I start the engines?' :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Force_Feedback Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 Can we also break things by not doing it properly? Plz tell me I can blow up the thing with a few switches (other than the 3 behind the red cover plate)? Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Aeroscout Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 lol. Ok, maybe the'll have an entire lesson on starting the thing up. (or, just combine that with te "taxi and take off" lesson.) DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
GGTharos Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 Can we also break things by not doing it properly? Plz tell me I can blow up the thing with a few switches (other than the 3 behind the red cover plate)? Maybe - I mean, there's not a whole lot that you could do wrong. Basically you might not feed fuel to an engine, in which case you might not be able to lift off at all depending on your load-out. You could cut fuel off to your engines in flight ... I leave this academic situation for the reader to ponder. :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
warthogmadman987 Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 wouldnt it be sweet if we could turn up the voltage coming from the batteries to a point where serious and unthinkable occurance would once occur? We could make lighting bolts go from the heli to the ground:D
GGTharos Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 I think you should be more worried about thunderbolts ... the ones with two engines and wings ... instead of lightning bolts between your heli and the ground :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
warthogmadman987 Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 I think you should be more worried about thunderbolts ... the ones with two engines and wings ... instead of lightning bolts between your heli and the ground :D Oh, ya, those to. That gatling gun could probably just tear the BS in half. Now that would be flippin sweet:joystick:
GGTharos Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 Yep. So vote for Ka-50 getting PWNED by an A-10 in GA's next movie! :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Aeroscout Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 Oh man! that would be cool. Personaly, though, It would be cool if the Ka-50 shot the A-10 down (that is if the Ka-50 has A2A capabilities... does it?) DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
GGTharos Posted February 13, 2007 Posted February 13, 2007 Oh man! that would be cool. Personaly, though, It would be cool if the Ka-50 shot the A-10 down (that is if the Ka-50 has A2A capabilities... does it?) Already been done ... And yes, the Vikhr and gun can be used against aircraft. Just don't miss, 'cause you're not getting another chance. And you have to shoot pretty much head-on or tail-on. If he sees you and dodges, you're basically done for. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
RvETito Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 Maybe - I mean, there's not a whole lot that you could do wrong. Basically you might not feed fuel to an engine, in which case you might not be able to lift off at all depending on your load-out. You could cut fuel off to your engines in flight ... I leave this academic situation for the reader to ponder. :D No problem of turning off the electricaly driven boost pumps that supplies the engine from the fuel tank untill you fly bellow 1000m or so. Lower than that altitutde the engine driven boost pump DTzN-70A is capable of "sucking" fuel through a check valve which bypasses the line from the electrical pumps. I once did it by mistake IRL while testing a Ka-32 helicopter which has exactly the same engines and fuel supply. We were making a one engine hover and I was there to assist the pilot in operating the systems. When we've done the test and landed I started to turn off the unecessary equipement. We had only the right engine started but before start up the pilot turned on both the left and right boost pumps. I wanted to turn off the left pumps for saving power since we were in the middle of nothing but instead ... I turned off the right pumps... Nothing, absolutely nothing changed in the right engine operation. After the pilot shut it down normaly and I did the check list I realised what a stupidity I did. Luckly for me no one even noticed. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
nscode Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 I can already see someone sticking an Aim-54 to it :D Edit: why isn't this man a tester? :) Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Prophet Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 Not sure, be he seems to have lots of knowledge of it. Maybe ED already has enough information? We havent really had many issues with how they are modelling all these systems. They have done very good job IMHO of getting most things right the first time. The slowness is really only in the amount of things they are modelling. I was really expecting beta-testing to be a nightmare with some horrendous problems that needed sorting, but that really hasnt been the case. A lot of people give ED grief, but from what I have seen they really are doing a phenominal job on a light staff, especially considering people that worked on the original project arent with the team. I think everyone will be pleased. 2
ED Team Glowing_Amraam Posted February 14, 2007 ED Team Posted February 14, 2007 Yep. So vote for Ka-50 getting PWNED by an A-10 in GA's next movie! :D lol... :music_whistling: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgJRhtnqA-67pKmQ3A2GsgA ED youtube channel https://www.facebook.com/glowingamraam My facebook page
Maulkin Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 The real helicopter delay 2 or 3 minutes for start full the engines. Will lockon Black-Shark have realistic engine startup?? Wasn't there an AVI released some time back that showed the startup sequence and it took about 10 minutes to go through the checklist? I was asleep by the end of it. --Maulkin Windows 10 64-bit - AMD Ryzen 9 5900X @ 3.7 GHz - 32 GB DDR4 3600MHz RAM - EVGA FTW3 RTX 3080 - Asus Crosshair VIII Hero motherboard - Samsung EVO Pro 1 TB SSD - TrackIR 4 Pro - Thrustmaster Warthog - Saitek rudder pedals - Lilliput UM-80/C with TM Cougars
TheProphet Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 Yeah you're right, but IIRC I think that someone said that it was recorded on an old beta version of BS, thus it wasn't accurate as in the real Ka-50, however it was said that it got fixed long ago and now the engine startup sequence is accurate and correct. 6700K | ASUS Z170 | 32GB RAM | GTX 680 | 850EVO
RvETito Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 Yeah you're right, but IIRC I think that someone said that it was recorded on an old beta version of BS, thus it wasn't accurate as in the real Ka-50, however it was said that it got fixed long ago and now the engine startup sequence is accurate and correct. If it has been fixed then it must be much longer. In this movie there were missing essential things: - no APU operation- the APU needs to be started, then left running for at least 1 min to get optimal temperature, then both engines start-up with 1 min cooling pause between them and finaly 1 min cooling before shut it down; - unrealistic main engines operation- in this movie you start both engines simultaneously which is absolutely impossible IRL. Then you turn on AC generators while at idle power-errrrrr! In order to have generators online rotor RPM must be above 85% which means AUTO mode for both engines. - unrealistic elecrical system operation- no rectifiers on, inverters must be in manual before having generators on and after that you switch inverters to AUTO; later when you shut engines down everything is reverse- rectifiers off, inverters to MANUAL, generators off, engines control levers from AUTO to IDLE; 1 "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
nscode Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 see.... this is what I'm talking about :D Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
GGTharos Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 I pointed to that post in the beta forum. :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
EvilBivol-1 Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 If it has been fixed then it must be much longer. In this movie there were missing essential things: - no APU operation- the APU needs to be started, then left running for at least 1 min to get optimal temperature, then both engines start-up with 1 min cooling pause between them and finaly 1 min cooling before shut it down; - unrealistic main engines operation- in this movie you start both engines simultaneously which is absolutely impossible IRL. Then you turn on AC generators while at idle power-errrrrr! In order to have generators online rotor RPM must be above 85% which means AUTO mode for both engines. - unrealistic elecrical system operation- no rectifiers on, inverters must be in manual before having generators on and after that you switch inverters to AUTO; later when you shut engines down everything is reverse- rectifiers off, inverters to MAIN, generators off, engines control levers from AUTO to IDLE; Once all of the systems and sub-systems are finalized, I will lobby for a new start-up video dedicated to you, AirTito. :D - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
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