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I just saw this photo of the -27KUB (will it eventually be called -33UB?).

I like the engines... :music_whistling:

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Will the increase in area of ALL the aerodynamic surfaces and TVC engines make this the most maneuverable flanker variant, with a lower top speed?

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Its a naval trainer. But never seen it with TVC nozzles before.

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I think its primary focus (apart from conversion training) is the A2A combat; the larger wings and control surfaces will make its low level ride a bit rougher, and TVC is not strictly needed for strike either.

 

On the other hand, the larger wing should give it a greater carrier MTOW than the Su-33's 30 tonnes (33 tonnes from a land airfield), always useful for range and payload.

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Hmm... cool, but i'm not sure i like the side-by-side cockpit configuration. makes a fighter look fat to me.

 

 

But the TVC nozzles look sweet.

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It had them for a long time, also the eniges are uprated producing 13-something tonnes on AB, but it's kind of funny, the trainer is very advanced and has a classified cockpit configuration, the single seater lags like 20 years compared to the n00b friendly trainer.

TVC improves low speed performance, and with a student pilot, you need control at the lowest possible speed. Also the Su-25UTG has very weak engines, again, less room for error.

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The AL-31FP engines on the Su-30MKI are supposed to rated at 13.5 tonnes with reheat. The -27KUB seems to mount the powerplants.

 

There was a new version shown at AeroIndia07, the AL-31FAL with 3D TVC. It is supposed to power the Su-35BM.

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Why would the equip the trainer variant with TVC? Seems like they're making the trainer version more advanced and capable in regards to the original airframe itself, the 33.

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Why would the equip the trainer variant with TVC? Seems like they're making the trainer version more advanced and capable in regards to the original airframe itself, the 33.

 

They did - the Su-27KUB is a two-seat naval multirole fighter :) .

 

Apart from airframe differences, the KUB has a new WCS including a phased array radar and can use the full arsenal of guided air-to-surface weaponry.

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Probably both, just like Alfa said, the F/A-18F is used both for the Fleet Replacement Squadrons as well as combat squadrons. The Russians just said "hey that'd be a good idea to give it combat capability". So they get a naval strike aircraft that's more capable than it's progenitor.

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No it is the "real deal" - and it is no more a "naval trainer" than the F/A-18F ;) .

What exactly is the "real deal" your talking about?

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What exactly is the "real deal" your talking about?

 

He was replying to my suggestion that the plane might only have been built for the sole purpose of being used to demonstrate the technology of Russian aircraft - by 'Real Deal' he is implying it was built for a real purpose i.e. to be used in the Russian Navy as a combat aircraft.

 

 

Hope that makes sense

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^^^^ still dont know what exactly "real deal" means. Need to get more specific.

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'Real Deal' is a phrase - e.g.

 

(talking about guitars here)

 

A: I got my new Gibson guitar today

B: I bet it is just another Korean made rip off again

A: No, you are wrong! it is the 'real deal' this time, a true American made guitar.

B: Wow!

 

 

(Not that the Korean guitars are necessarily worse, only I hear this type of conversation a lot on another forum)

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Wait, lets get something strait here. So this isn't supposed to be a "Trainer" version of the 33, but a whole new naval strike aircraft?

 

Naval multirole fighter :)

 

Airsuperiority fighter, strike aircraft, trainer, tanker - same concept as with the F/A-18F.

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What exactly is the "real deal" your talking about?

 

What EscCtrl said :)

 

....not a "tech demonstrator", "mock-up" or simple "trainer", but a real multirole combat aircraft meant for actual service.

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:rolleyes: LOL

But what friggin "real aircraft"?! :doh:

 

as in "make me aquainted to what this plane is all about and its background history"

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:rolleyes: LOL

But what frigging "real aircraft"?! :doh:

 

Don't you understand the difference between an "X-plane" built solely for testing varies tech solutions and an aircraft designed, built and equipped for actual military service?

 

as in "make me aquainted to what this plane is all about and its background history"

 

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