Alfa_Kilo Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 I just saw this photo of the -27KUB (will it eventually be called -33UB?). I like the engines... :music_whistling: Also check out this page Will the increase in area of ALL the aerodynamic surfaces and TVC engines make this the most maneuverable flanker variant, with a lower top speed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Its a naval trainer. But never seen it with TVC nozzles before. [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 My bet is that it flies like a pig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa_Kilo Posted April 1, 2007 Author Share Posted April 1, 2007 My bet is that it flies like a pig. You mean like the 'vark? :smilewink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Almost... Thats a whole lot of airplane there and Id be willing to bet it would be on par with the F-15E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa_Kilo Posted April 1, 2007 Author Share Posted April 1, 2007 I think its primary focus (apart from conversion training) is the A2A combat; the larger wings and control surfaces will make its low level ride a bit rougher, and TVC is not strictly needed for strike either. On the other hand, the larger wing should give it a greater carrier MTOW than the Su-33's 30 tonnes (33 tonnes from a land airfield), always useful for range and payload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeroscout Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Hmm... cool, but i'm not sure i like the side-by-side cockpit configuration. makes a fighter look fat to me. But the TVC nozzles look sweet. DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscCtrl Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Another technology demonstrator maybe? e.g. the S-37/Su-47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force_Feedback Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 It had them for a long time, also the eniges are uprated producing 13-something tonnes on AB, but it's kind of funny, the trainer is very advanced and has a classified cockpit configuration, the single seater lags like 20 years compared to the n00b friendly trainer. TVC improves low speed performance, and with a student pilot, you need control at the lowest possible speed. Also the Su-25UTG has very weak engines, again, less room for error. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa_Kilo Posted April 1, 2007 Author Share Posted April 1, 2007 The AL-31FP engines on the Su-30MKI are supposed to rated at 13.5 tonnes with reheat. The -27KUB seems to mount the powerplants. There was a new version shown at AeroIndia07, the AL-31FAL with 3D TVC. It is supposed to power the Su-35BM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Another technology demonstrator maybe? e.g. the S-37/Su-47 No it is the "real deal" - and it is no more a "naval trainer" than the F/A-18F ;) . JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disso Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Why would the equip the trainer variant with TVC? Seems like they're making the trainer version more advanced and capable in regards to the original airframe itself, the 33. SU-30MKI F/A-18F ...Beauty, grace, lethality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Why would the equip the trainer variant with TVC? Seems like they're making the trainer version more advanced and capable in regards to the original airframe itself, the 33. They did - the Su-27KUB is a two-seat naval multirole fighter :) . Apart from airframe differences, the KUB has a new WCS including a phased array radar and can use the full arsenal of guided air-to-surface weaponry. JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disso Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Wait, lets get something strait here. So this isn't supposed to be a "Trainer" version of the 33, but a whole new naval strike aircraft? SU-30MKI F/A-18F ...Beauty, grace, lethality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Probably both, just like Alfa said, the F/A-18F is used both for the Fleet Replacement Squadrons as well as combat squadrons. The Russians just said "hey that'd be a good idea to give it combat capability". So they get a naval strike aircraft that's more capable than it's progenitor. LOMAC Section| | Gaming Resume (PDF) | Gallery | Flanker2.51 Storage Site | Also known as Flanker562 back in the day... Steam ID EricJ562 | DCS: A-10A/C Pilot | DCS: Su-25T Pilot | Texture Artist "...parade ground soldiers always felt that way (contempt) about killers in uniform." -Counting The Cost, Hammer's Slammers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa_Kilo Posted April 2, 2007 Author Share Posted April 2, 2007 Any idea when its entering service? There seems to be just one a/c flying right now, the no. 717. (aka 21) Imagine if this was an AI a/c in LOMAC, with Zhuk MSFE & thrust veroring..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 No it is the "real deal" - and it is no more a "naval trainer" than the F/A-18F ;) . What exactly is the "real deal" your talking about? [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weta43 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Real deal as in all the bells & whistles work - not just mock-ups. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscCtrl Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 What exactly is the "real deal" your talking about? He was replying to my suggestion that the plane might only have been built for the sole purpose of being used to demonstrate the technology of Russian aircraft - by 'Real Deal' he is implying it was built for a real purpose i.e. to be used in the Russian Navy as a combat aircraft. Hope that makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 ^^^^ still dont know what exactly "real deal" means. Need to get more specific. [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscCtrl Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 'Real Deal' is a phrase - e.g. (talking about guitars here) A: I got my new Gibson guitar today B: I bet it is just another Korean made rip off again A: No, you are wrong! it is the 'real deal' this time, a true American made guitar. B: Wow! (Not that the Korean guitars are necessarily worse, only I hear this type of conversation a lot on another forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Wait, lets get something strait here. So this isn't supposed to be a "Trainer" version of the 33, but a whole new naval strike aircraft? Naval multirole fighter :) Airsuperiority fighter, strike aircraft, trainer, tanker - same concept as with the F/A-18F. JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 What exactly is the "real deal" your talking about? What EscCtrl said :) ....not a "tech demonstrator", "mock-up" or simple "trainer", but a real multirole combat aircraft meant for actual service. JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 :rolleyes: LOL But what friggin "real aircraft"?! :doh: as in "make me aquainted to what this plane is all about and its background history" [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 :rolleyes: LOL But what frigging "real aircraft"?! :doh: Don't you understand the difference between an "X-plane" built solely for testing varies tech solutions and an aircraft designed, built and equipped for actual military service? as in "make me aquainted to what this plane is all about and its background history" Google is your friend sunshine :D JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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