Next Generation Soviet fighter

[Alfa]

I agree - and the only thing about it that give it any credence is that it was published in a Russian site.

 

I wonder if the Russian AF as cash strapped as it is would invest so much on a F-22 class fighter that will have a price tag to match, it would make IMO much more sense to make a JSF class fighter which they could afford in quantity they need.

 

To be honest I think the whole "cash strapped" thing might be about to change - Russia is steadily increasing its defense budget by a handsome margin each year. I think the question is more how much of it they are prepared to channel into a fifth gen fighter project at this stage and how much they will reserve for immedeate implementations - i.e. upgrades to existing fighter fleet. I read somewhere that participants in the PAK-FA development- especially Sukhoi - were expected to finance a large part of the developement themselves.

 

I am a little doubtful about the JSF thing in connection with Russia - the multirole concept seems less popular than in the "West" and I would sooner think that they would go for a combination of a dedicated air dominance fighter/dedicated strike aircraft(along the lines of the Su-24 and Su-34 destined to replace it) than a multirole replacement for the MiG-29 along the lines of the F-16C -> F-35.....but I could be wrong :) .

[pschelchshorn]

Uh..concerning the name thing again! I think we can also dubb it the "Typhoon & Raptor Bait" !!! :D

 

Flip

[Alfa]

True - and with all that oil and gas ... but the days when Russia had thousands of fighters is gone, they will probably end up with a few hundred combat aircraft.

 

Yeah perhaps but I think that kind of comes with the Soviet Union/cold war -> Russia......i.e. different requirements :) .

[nscode]

and also with different tactics and abilities of the time

[sp0nge]

lmfao that is a funnny looking plane.

 

:D

[Prophet]

Looks a little like the F-22 does'nt it ??

http://www.lockonfiles.com/index.php

 

It is reasonable to think that similar engineering objectives would have similar solutions.

[SuperKungFu]

Here's a couple more pics

 

I would be funny if these designs were ever built

 

i think the last one was american though.

[SuperKungFu]

and one more

=)

[hitman]

That one looks like a WIG. Well tickle the shiat outta me and call me Elmo. It is a WIG.

[fretwear]

It is reasonable to think that similar engineering objectives would have similar solutions.

 

A convenient answer for when one side seems to keep coming up with the "solution" first. :)

[SuperKungFu]

also its cheaper, no need to spend more money on a radical design when you know a design that already works.

[nscode]

A convenient answer for when one side seems to keep coming up with the "solution" first. :)

 

you simply don't know that. It takes years to get from design to aircraft, and the only thing true is that one side gets that done quicker (from mostly $$$ reasons). But who actually got an idea, and who said let's "barrow" is what you can't know (unless one side admits.... like in the Buran case :D).

[mikoyan]

The buran looks similar but it is a different design.

[fretwear]

you simply don't know that. It takes years to get from design to aircraft, and the only thing true is that one side gets that done quicker (from mostly $$$ reasons). But who actually got an idea, and who said let's "barrow" is what you can't know (unless one side admits.... like in the Buran case :D).

 

You mean as in paragraph 2 of this article? :)

 

 

http://www.hightechscience.org/buran_space_shuttle.htm

[mikoyan]

You mean as in paragraph 2 of this article? :)

 

 

http://www.hightechscience.org/buran_space_shuttle.htm

What I'm saying is that the buran wasn't a copy of the space shuttle,it is just a similar solution for the same problem.

[Weta43]

Similar requirements leading to similar designs is obviously just an excuse for people without imagination.

 

Take this lizard for example :

 

He OBVIOUSLY stole his design from this snake :

 

 

Lizards are obviously too backwards to ever come up with such an effective design...

 

On the subject of Russia spending more money on defence, did you see this ?

"President Vladimir V. Putin said Thursday that Russia would suspend its compliance with a treaty on conventional arms in Europe"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/27/world/europe/27russia.html?ref=world&pagewanted=print

[nscode]

On the subject of Russia spending more money on defence, did you see this ?

"President Vladimir V. Putin said Thursday that Russia would suspend its compliance with a treaty on conventional arms in Europe"

 

That is just political pressure. They've got plenty of room to modernize their assets while keeping it inside the boundaries of the treaty (by putting older stuff out of service).

[sp0nge]

Good ol' Vladdy,

 

I love saying that!

[AlexHunter]

On the subject of Russia spending more money on defence, did you see this ?

"President Vladimir V. Putin said Thursday that Russia would suspend its compliance with a treaty on conventional arms in Europe"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/27/world/europe/27russia.html?ref=world&pagewanted=print

 

For a long time it was time to leave this contract, all the same only we executed it, and it to us is not favourable even from the point of view of economic, the same parts and their technics from Georgia where to transport to not break the contract, to Siberia?? And moving of a plenty of technics on greater the distance and arrangement of militarians and a material component (military technics) how many cost??? We not France and not Belgium, which in size with our Rostov area where I live. For us it is too smart so to move armies on the territory to not break the contract (if to fly by the plane from Moscow up to Kamchatka it is 10 hours of flight). And so at us the army is reduced natural by (dearly and obsolescence of an equipment), would suffice money it to re-equip on modern arms in enough for defense of such Big state can keep strategic stability and the Pace for long years. And that at some State appetites napoleonic and manners on the world governor, and arm they obviously not for defense of the state, the weapon at them and forces with Huge surplus for these purposes and it as the inhabitant of Russia me very much frightens and guards. Especially when this state increases military power near to my borders, we more than once passed it. I wish TO LIVE WITHOUT WAR, in the original State in Russia and that us not one to drag could not offend. We whom do not touch also us start up do not touch.

Excuse, what not in a theme

[Poopskadoop]

A convenient answer for when one side seems to keep coming up with the "solution" first. :)

 

Passenger jets all have very similar designs. Do you think everyone is just copying each other? Or perhaps a certain design function will tend to look a certain way. In this case, even if the basic airframe is similar, that doesn't reduce the workload of the engineers by much. I'm sure Russia doesn't have access to any documents regarding the construction of the F-22, so every component must be designed independently.

 

By the way, I just love the little tendency I've been seeing of people slapping on ":)"s at the end of smart-ass statements, like a little drop of venom. Sorry, it's just a trend I've noticed here in particular.

[hitman]

OK we're going Samuel L. Jackson here with snakes and planes all in one thread. Lets not go there.

[Weta43]

Before we all get too pissed at each other again over the "who made who" argument, lets all keep in mind that those are artists conceptions and are very unlikely to have ANY connection whatsoever to what is actually being designed. As human beings, we have independent thought, but we also learn a great deal through silent observation. So, lets just say that plenty of "inspiration" has come from watching the other guys, and this goes for every human endeavor. You just can't get around being influenced by your observations. Its not stealing, but I don't believe that any technological answer to a particular problem isn't at least influenced by what came before it. Its just human nature...and plenty of this has taken place on BOTH sides of the Cold War countries.

 

couldn't have said it better myself.

[Poopskadoop]

A drop of venom? Or maybe just a harmless tongue-in-cheek comment, and the smiley is there to try to avoid offending someone who might read too much into the comment? ;) Written communication over the internet is a PITA, and its difficult to get your true intentions across because the people reading your posts can't hear the tone of your voice or see the expression on your face. :D (Heh...just a couple more drops of venom for you. :) :) :) :) ...ok, four of them)

 

It's a pet peeve of mine, I suppose. I have no issues with the icon itself, but I can't stand it when I see it used at the end of a smart-ass comment. It seems somewhat obnoxious to me. Read this:

 

"Nope, you're wrong. :)"

 

and tell me the smiley doesn't add a little bit of a pompous air to it. Again, it may be a purely subjective response on my part.

[Poopskadoop]

Aye, maybe it's this raging headache.

 

But I, for one, prefer the green guy. :D

[sp0nge]

I say focus on the present .. Hows the SU-37 going, isn't that being put into service this year?