Track-IR Stutter fix petition at Natural point's forum

[Goa]

@bandit 648 : I also found better results by deleting the max_fps line from graphics.lua and then capping the fps to 60 with nvidia inspector or msi riva turner, give it a try and let me know :)

[bandit648]

@bandit 648 : I also found better results by deleting the max_fps line from graphics.lua and then capping the fps to 60 with nvidia inspector or msi riva turner, give it a try and let me know :)

 

This seems to give me the best results so far, but I'm still getting some micro stuttering when panning around the cockpit with trackir. What refresh rate are you setting your monitor at?

[Goa]

This seems to give me the best results so far, but I'm still getting some micro stuttering when panning around the cockpit with trackir. What refresh rate are you setting your monitor at?

 

I have exactly the same micro-stuttering you're are describing when panning aroung the cockpit with trackir.

 

The odd thing is that with the 7700k I did not have these micro-stutter when capped at 60 fps, of course I had the usual simmering/stuttering we are talking about if the fps were not capped at 60 , but at least at 60fps I had no micro-stutters, now with the damn 8700k, new motherboard, and new PSU i have the micro-stutter even at 60 fps.

 

 

As for your question, I set my monitor refresh rate at 144hz, setting it at 60hz seems worse to me.

[petsild]

The best value will, that at which you are closest to the average fps. If it's not to guarantee high framerate 144Hz is a bad choice. Smart :) monitor G-sync offered the best efficiency in the 30-60 fps, everything above is working v-sync.

[Goa]

The best value will, that at which you are closest to the average fps. If it's not to guarantee high framerate 144Hz is a bad choice. Smart :) monitor G-sync offered the best efficiency in the 30-60 fps, everything above is working v-sync.

 

hi,

 

sorry but I dont undertand what you mean, and btw gsyc is not offering best efficieny in between 30-60 , you're absolutely wrong.

I suggets you take a read here https://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/2/

[bandit648]

I have exactly the same micro-stuttering you're are describing when panning aroung the cockpit with trackir.

 

The odd thing is that with the 7700k I did not have these micro-stutter when capped at 60 fps, of course I had the usual simmering/stuttering we are talking about if the fps were not capped at 60 , but at least at 60fps I had no micro-stutters, now with the damn 8700k, new motherboard, and new PSU i have the micro-stutter even at 60 fps.

 

 

As for your question, I set my monitor refresh rate at 144hz, setting it at 60hz seems worse to me.

 

I still have my old system which is i7-4790K 16GB DDR3-2400 GTX 980TI. Maybe I will test with that sometime this week and see if I get same results.

 

Besides the normal trackir micro-stuttering we're talking about here, I also get occasional real stutters where fps drop by half or more. There's no obvious bottleneck when this happens so I don't know what causes it.

[Goa]

I still have my old system which is i7-4790K 16GB DDR3-2400 GTX 980TI. Maybe I will test with that sometime this week and see if I get same results.

 

Besides the normal trackir micro-stuttering we're talking about here, I also get occasional real stutters where fps drop by half or more. There's no obvious bottleneck when this happens so I don't know what causes it.

 

yeah...i think I'll give up and return playing arma3 instead:(:lol::smilewink::)

[petsild]

hi,

 

sorry but I dont undertand what you mean, and btw gsyc is not offering best efficieny in between 30-60 , you're absolutely wrong.

I suggets you take a read here https://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/2/

If you can keep over 145 fps you can leave your monitor at such a high frequency. I guess you didn't understand the principle of G-sync.

[bandit648]

yeah...i think I'll give up and return playing arma3 instead:(:lol::smilewink::)

 

I wouldn't go THAT far.. although RHS just released an update which briefly renewed my interest in Arma 3 :smilewink:

 

I tested on my i7-4790K system and stuttering and trackir performance was actually worse. Even with the graphics turned down so the 980TI could do 60 fps.

 

I think we just have to live with this for the moment. At 60 fps lock things are pretty smooth but there is some more motion blur as expected. I found that the microstuttering I was still observing at 60 fps seems to be caused by mirrors. If I turn the mirrors off in the hornet it pretty much goes away completely. I notice this because when I looked back the rear of the jet there was not stutter, but when looking forward to the cockpit it would stutter. Turn off the mirrors and problem solved.

 

Hopefully the 2080 TI will have enough power to drive this sim at 1440p/120 fps.

[will-]

simple test,

take mouse and move it. = smooth.

track ir5 = jittery.

[Goa]

I wouldn't go THAT far.. although RHS just released an update which briefly renewed my interest in Arma 3 :smilewink:

 

I tested on my i7-4790K system and stuttering and trackir performance was actually worse. Even with the graphics turned down so the 980TI could do 60 fps.

 

I think we just have to live with this for the moment. At 60 fps lock things are pretty smooth but there is some more motion blur as expected. I found that the microstuttering I was still observing at 60 fps seems to be caused by mirrors. If I turn the mirrors off in the hornet it pretty much goes away completely. I notice this because when I looked back the rear of the jet there was not stutter, but when looking forward to the cockpit it would stutter. Turn off the mirrors and problem solved.

 

Hopefully the 2080 TI will have enough power to drive this sim at 1440p/120 fps.

 

Yeah I am playing with RHS at the moment, anyway have you seen the ridiculous huge prices of the 2080ti??

Custom version costs alreat 1300-1500 euro/dollars......nvidia can go f***** themselves with these priceses.

[bandit648]

Yeah I am playing with RHS at the moment, anyway have you seen the ridiculous huge prices of the 2080ti??

Custom version costs alreat 1300-1500 euro/dollars......nvidia can go f***** themselves with these priceses.

 

Maybe Nvidia thinks they can get away with that because of the mining boom. But, that appears to have fizzled out so hopefully those numbers aren't real.

 

My tolerance for price on 2080TI is around $900. I normally sell my old card to offset the price.

 

Hopefully Vulkan for DCS isn't to far off. Who knows maybe we can just switch to AMD cards as they are reported to see better performance gains with Vulkan than Nvidia.

[Goa]

btw I suspect the problem here is the trackir software and USB polling rate,

 

I am trying to figure out how to change a specific USB port polling rate frequency assuming the device itself ( Trackir) can be overclcocked to run at lets say 1000 mhz.

 

I am bit ignorant about it , if you want to help me out this a post i wrote on overclockers.net

There are a few tools out there which allows to change the USB polling rate , I was told by one of the developers that the software can be used with any usb device

 

take a read here and pls lets try to figure out the damn thing

 

https://www.overclock.net/forum/375-mice/1597441-digitally-signed-sweetlow-1000hz-mouse-driver-86.html

 

@bandit648 : as you're english mothertounge and I am not, maybe you can better try to figure out proper steps to change the polling rate of USB ports.

[raymondabel]

I am very interessted by this discussion. I start to think that my track IR is the maine reason why my DCS crash all the time. Solution so far : limite FPS to 45 with graphics.lua with maxfps = 45;

 

I will jumps iy 5 by 5 until 60 (vsynk)

[Goa]

I am very interessted by this discussion. I start to think that my track IR is the maine reason why my DCS crash all the time. Solution so far : limite FPS to 45 with graphics.lua with maxfps = 45;

 

I will jumps iy 5 by 5 until 60 (vsynk)

 

hi ramondable,

 

I highly doubt trackir is causing your DCS to crash...as for limit the fps you'd get better results by using MSI rivaturner rather than the crapy ingame limiter graphics.lua

 

Graphichs.lua does not work for limiting the fps

[raymondabel]

hi ramondable,

 

I highly doubt trackir is causing your DCS to crash...as for limit the fps you'd get better results by using MSI rivaturner rather than the crapy ingame limiter graphics.lua

 

Graphichs.lua does not work for limiting the fps

 

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I will try to find and give it a chance but so far Graphic.lua with maxFPS work good so far

 

I can to the conclusion that this is track IR or something associated with because I played with out track IR ten no crash

 

I am wasting so much time arround this game....

[petsild]

Stick to the recommendations user Goa, you will see a noticeable improvement.

[Goa]

Stick to the recommendations user Goa, you will see a noticeable improvement.

 

what reccomendation mate?

 

running the game at 60 fps with a 144hz monitor??

 

no thanks! There are users out there with same specs as mine, and they can prooperly use gsync with no juttery/stuttery bewteen 40-144 fps.....:mad:

[raymondabel]

I just install riva tuner and did a lot of RTFM.

Moninors at 60 mhz so I will set FPS to 60 and tests

[petsild]

what reccomendation mate?

 

running the game at 60 fps with a 144hz monitor??

 

no thanks! There are users out there with same specs as mine, and they can prooperly use gsync with no juttery/stuttery bewteen 40-144 fps.....:mad:

Unfortunately, you misunderstood what I first wrote, I just wanted to write the benefits of G-sync technology at low fps. When during the decline at 30fps visually conjures 60fps.

Yes, it is better to use 144Hz if the game allows such a high framerate. At the present time, but such hardware does not exist, mainly in the multiplayer and challenging missions the frames drop below 45 fps on a lot of good hw machine.

Until then, I will recommend only the 60Hz setting.

[bandit648]

what reccomendation mate?

 

running the game at 60 fps with a 144hz monitor??

 

no thanks! There are users out there with same specs as mine, and they can prooperly use gsync with no juttery/stuttery bewteen 40-144 fps.....:mad:

 

Goa, I don't believe this to be true. I think that some people just don't notice the micro stuttering even though it's there. If you make quick head movements to look around you won't notice it. It's only when slow panning back and forth.

 

Also, have you noticed the impact of mirrors on micro-stuttering? I'm all locked up at 60 fps and trackir still micro-stutters with mirrors on. No dip in fps at all. Turn mirrors off and smooth as silk.

[finch]

Everyone,

 

 

if you have Track-IR stutter as described multiple times in this forum,

 

 

please have a look here and comment as well. They may do something if more

 

 

customers complain.

 

 

https://forums.naturalpoint.com/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=13991

 

 

I will add my experience. Using opentrack and the ps3 eyecam I also have the micro stutters but is smoot if I use the keyboard, so I think you can exclude that this problem is related to Naturalpoint, and I'm sure some DCS's builds ago it was smooth

[vali_grad]

facetracknoir with ps3 camera, ir leds ... going strong :)))) petition trakir to stop their bullshit and build better tech !!!

[BitMaster]

https://youtu.be/GYKcaOvdJxY

 

 

did some testing with various settings and TiR, Fa18 Mig21 Mi8 and ka50, left and right panning etc...

 

 

I agree, some settings and airframes are more likely to cause it than others, also speed of your airframe and fps do play a role.

 

 

With helicopters it's not noticable, they fly too slow but with Mach1 it's a different game. The less fps you have the more likely it is to happen as well, at least this is what I think.

 

 

I could not find any below 60 and above 120 thing, maybe I missed to notice it.

 

 

Frames go from 45ish with All-In SSAA1.5x to 144fps with MSAA2x and HIGH only, no extremes etc.. things differ a lot at those high settings, but extreme takes it's toll...haha time for a RTX4080-Ti-Turbo

Edited September 3, 2018 by BitMaster

[BitMaster]

So, yeah, my system has it too, I just did not notice it with helicopters and when I flew Jets I didnt notice it either , for whatever reason. But now, that I have looked for it, hell yes, you can configure your rig to stutter at 5.2G or go almost smooth....all in the "High" arena of settings.