I've been practicing

[sp0nge]

Hello everybody.

 

I'd just like to show off some work - Obviously not lock on standard but its what i've been up to lately.

 

As some of you might know i've been steadily learning 3ds max with the help of a few members in this forum. You can probably see my threads still.. :noexpression:

 

Anyway. I made a couple of planes over the long weekend, the F-16, Rafale and the F-105 Thunderchief.

 

I'd like to share a picture of the F-16 I made. The F-16 is still wheel'less i just realised writing this, so i'll go and finish that off any minute now.

[Troffmeister]

keep it up )

[sp0nge]

Definitely.

 

I finished making the gears and detached part of the wings and vertical stabilitzer to make the rudder and flaps. Also added two stabs on the bottom of the fuselage just before the Afterburner nozzle.

 

i need to add the air brakes.

[Troffmeister]

are you using line drawings mounted in 3dmax - the so called open box modelling technique ?

 

i.e reference line drawing pics mounted on planes / walls in 3dmax

 

on my new model i have main wing to do - 1 missile and 1 gear bay strut to cut - hopefully have it done within 1 week - real life gets getting in the way of 3d modelling right now tho ( !

 

i am determined to get it 100% finished asap )

 

Roger

[sp0nge]

No I just get my drawings mounted as a background with Alt-B in the corresponding viewports. Then I use (mostly) cylinders to model the parts of the aircraft scaling and moving with vertices from an editable poly.

 

I have a question:

 

How would you go about modelling an open canopy? Because I can do a closed one, but not an open one.

[Troffmeister]

i make my models 100% out of cylinders too - primitive 3dmax objects - as editable meshes etc

 

re the cockpit canopy - on a plane eg the f16 - i would make the cockpit bubble as a cylinder a fresh piece - i would model the cockpit struts and the cuts - ie where the pit opens and closes as a specific line in the model - saves cutting it at a later date - once the pit and frame is done - i would highlight and remove / color in 3dmax materials all the glass areas as a visual aid - so all the glass would now be a separate object - normally i call it pit glass , and give it a blue color which i make 40% opaque to give transparent glass effect whilst building the rest of the model ,

 

this leaves the frame as 1 piece - to make the pit frame more 3d - rather than a 2d wall effect - i would use extrude on the faces inward to where the pilot sits to make the frame more meaty and 3d !

 

i used this technique on my eurofighters - but it was an after thought - ie i went back and had to cut all the pieces - eg where the cockpit frame opens - so next time i make a fighter eg your f16 for example - i would specifically model the pit cuts at outset - to deliberately make the cockpit open and close for a LO fighter

 

hope this helps - i am only a 3d hobby modeller and self taught i am no expert - i stick to the techniques that i like and that work for me - there is probably a more efficient / different way to do it - we all model differently , but i like my way , and i end up with a very clean nice looking efficient model , and when adding to a game engine , this i feel counts alot

 

anyway have fun i hope this helps )

 

Roger :-)

[Troffmeister]

p.s to make the pit open once modelled, just give it a pivot and rotate it

 

i tend to copy the whole canopy so in my 3dmax scene on the model i have an open and closed canopy on the same model - eg 2 pieces stuck on the model

 

by this stage my model is 100% built and saved out , off the pc onto blank dvd for my collection - the next stage is uvw mapping / skinning - which i don't do - i just build stuff for fun )

[355th_Paulie]

Any pics Troffmeister? :thumbup:

[Troffmeister]

once i finish the new model i will post up alot of pics - i think i am 1 week away from finishing - i said that last week tho - my wife , my 2 yr old toddler , and my job and free time are getting in the way of finishing the new model - i will be doing some modelling tonight for sure )

 

its my daughters 2nd birthday on thursday , so this week i am having to help the wife out in the evening doing preparation - apparently weds night - i have a mammoth blowing up of balloons task to do - lol

 

:-)

[Ven]

I do these (modeling and animation) for work so I don't get you people who models for fun!

 

Nice model Troff. Modeling for games is tricky because you have limited number of polygons to work with. Knowing what you can achieve with textures and where to add more polygons is key to creating quality model.

[SuperKungFu]

very nice, its these little things that builds experience to go onto great things. Keep up the good work.

[Troffmeister]

forgot about these pics which illustrate what i was talling about before in terms of box modelling and also the open and closed cockpit )

 

http://forum.lockon.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=11033&d=1179954392

 

http://forum.lockon.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=11036&d=1179954434

[Troffmeister]

1 am here just off to bed , did some modelling tonight, made good progress , just the main wing to build and clone over to other side , and 1 missile to build

 

then prepare the 3dmax scene to take some renders / screenshots , to post up on here to show you all

 

i am really pleased with it , an un-veiling soon - i reckon the weekend at latest )

[SuperKungFu]

very cool, keep us updated.

[hitman]

Im going to get you used to this...

 

the cockpit is too square, the LERX doesnt look quite right, that grey doesnt match the color of the pilots underwear, and the right wing looks like it was severed off with a guillotine.

 

Aside from that, one of these days Im gonna have to get into this stuff. That...is some good stuff.

[Kuky]

Troffmeister... nice work!

 

spOnge...

[sp0nge]

LOL :D

[Troffmeister]

thanks kuky )

[sp0nge]

Here is what I finished up with, i think ill leave it there and start a new project. I know most of you are more interested in Troffmeister's Project, but who cares :cry:

 

Anyway here she is.

[Troffmeister]

Sponge , dude the only reason i posted in your thred , was you asked for some help , and i gave you as much info as i could to help on page 1 , i am sorry if you feel your thred was hijacked :-0

 

i will give you as much help as i can, and i will continue to offer you help and encouragement to continue 3d modelling

 

if you saw the models i made when i first started hobby 3d modelling 5 years ago or more ? frankly you would laugh and i would die of embarassment , my models then were so bad !

 

Your modelling has alot of potential , and frankly i have seen alot worse - and yes you will improve , and you yourself are the best person to critique your own work - so its not for me to criticise your achievement so far - far from it - i only offer you encouragement to continue - 3d modelling is hard work , pain sweat , the occasional tear and frustration at times - but ultimately its alot of fun and a great feeling to make something great which you feel proud of :-)

 

if you want to contact me off forum etc - you can always email me at troffmeister@hotmail.com

 

i used to use a prog called rccad before i got 3dmax , and then did a tutorial online to build a p38 ww2 plane - which taught me how to mount pics properly and model better using 3dmax - since then all i have learnt and can do is thru years of effort and hours of work , and i still make mistakes and rebuild sections , and as i said before - i do hobby modelling , and i stick to the techniques i know and that work for me

 

Please do not think or feel that no one cares about your projects or 3d modelling

 

all the best

Roger :-)

[Troffmeister]

here is the tutorial - its for gmax - the free version of 3dmax - but i used 3dmax and the main aspects are the same - i don't model exactly this way - but its helpful , an insight , and i do recomend you box model - mount images onto planes in the viewports etc

 

http://www.planesimulation.com/gmax2.htm

[sp0nge]

no hard feelings troff! i dont feel like it was jacked, even if i did it wasnt ur fault if no one liked my models :P

 

You and system are the last people I would be upset with, both of you help me a lot.

 

I think I will get in touch with you with that email link you gave. Do you have MSN?

 

Appreciate the response and I am also sorry if you felt offended by my misjudgement.

 

~Sp0nge

[Troffmeister]

Ok no probs Sponge )

 

i used to use icq , but have it deinstalled for a long time now

 

i can install Msn etc for online chat etc - mail me with your details etc )

 

my pc is actually struggling here tech wise at the moment , so i tend to keep it as clean as i can , and have as little loaded at start up at possible

 

i am on xp pro , on an old athlon xp1900+ with a geforce 4 ti 4200 128mb 3d gfx card and 640 ram -

 

i have a about 100 gbs of hd space total - but my pc needs upgrading badly , and i am currently saving my cash , to buy a new base - ie cpu , new hds , 3d card , ram etc

 

i am experiencing crashing of 3dmax at times , its lucky i save alot when modelling )

 

anyway - until my finances improve , what with car loan , mortgage and my wife and daughter , i will have to make do with what i have and the occasional frustrating pc crash / lock up - i am hoping for a new pc around xmas / new year 08 , all being well

 

anyway send me a mail etc )

 

Roger