'Flaring' the Hornet on landing

[Etirion]

Etirion - that has to be one of the most stunning backdrops of an airshow I've ever seen! Where was that video from? Absolutely beautiful! Great video, thanks for sharing!:thumbup:

 

Yup, one of my favorite airshow videos. Sion airshow happens in Switzerland.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

No, when you flare you increase AOA and your speed will drop, the FCS only maintains on speed AOA with no pitch inputs (trimmed out). Power idirectly still affects sinkrate and AOA (at least in the DCS Honet).

 

??? The Hornet isn't special. Aft stick in the Hornet landing configuration results in increased AoA and reduced sink rate, just the same as any other aircraft, regardless of additional power.

[Airhunter]

??? The Hornet isn't special. Aft stick in the Hornet landing configuration results in increased AoA and reduced sink rate, just the same as any other aircraft, regardless of additional power.

 

Yes, but the guy said when you pull on the stick the FCS maintains AOA, which is not the case.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Yes, but the guy said when you pull on the stick the FCS maintains AOA, which is not the case.

 

No they didn't; they said AoA is maintained when adding power.

[Chuck_Henry]

No they didn't; they said AoA is maintained when adding power.

 

Correct. What I meant to get across was that you can flare with a power push, but this takes quite a bit of practice to avoid simply going level at 50’ AGL or even starting a climb again. The F/A-18 is forgiving if you use the stick to flare even if this results in the slow AOA chevron. Touchdown speed in jets like these is roughly 10 knots slower than final approach speed, anyway, and ground effect helps you once you get low enough for that to be significant, as well.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Sure, my point is that's the same for any plane.

[oldpop]

the "Navy Way"! Stick controls airspeed, Throttle controls altitude in any configuration, but very important in CV work!

if slow, first correction, stick fwd! then adjust nose to adjust ROD/altitude

! If low first correction, add power! then adjust nose to maintain AS.

[sk000tch]

He didn't said that planing link and trailing link are the same thing.

 

He didn't contradicted anything Mover said.

 

He just acknowledged a fact which corroborates Mover experience, which is that trailing link landing gear makes for a smoother landing due to its geometry.

 

Keep the finger off the trigger mate.

 

Also I didn't realized you were the designated carrier of Mover credentials. I absolutely respect real-world pilots participating in DCS, but I don't think putting them on pedestals would foster a healthy culture in these forums, since at the end of the day they're as human as we all.

 

Don't moderate from the cheap seats. No one asked you anything.

 

Nominating this thread for dumbest honorable mention. I am embarrassed for my contribution on pg 4 observing how funny a Hornet flaring would be to me personally. I confess it is mere habit, as its something one does not see often. But seriously, I respect the "how do I fire aim-120" posts far more than the uppity "I read natops and CNATRA" sim warriors talking shit to those who've served, especially when they've got time in type we're talking about.

 

A few years ago I got inducted into my college football hall of fame. It was a busy night but i was fortunate to be able to spend much of the night in the student section with my daughter and her friends. Three noodles behind us, with a collective mass of roughly 20lbs more than mine, spent the whole first half talking shit. Not about me, just clueless nonsense, one in particular apparently compelled to narrate the entire game. Again, busy night, so I wasn't able to rejoin my daughter until the 4th quarter. Remarkably, evidently recognizing me after the half time induction, the level of arrogance had decreased substantially. Drunk college men being among the dumbest of all creatures, these individuals were sharp enough to recognize that 35 starts on field is a lot different than regurgitated garbage read on some blog or defensive IQ gained playing Madden.

 

I'm not hornet pilot, but I've been fortunate enough to have a career involved in aviation where I was privy to information about E/Fs primarily and spend my life flying, including PIC time in 4 DCS modules. I've got a decent amount of insight into legacy Hornets but I am certainly not going to disagree with one of the several guys who've posted here with 1000+ time in type. The FAA defines flare or round out as after stick, usually at idle, increasing AoA, for purpose of decreasing airspeed and VSI. Is adding power to maintain AOA w/i params while adding stick still flaring? Semantics IMO. I certainly have never seen a Hornet with engines at idle go after stick to 15 degrees and grease a rear wheel landing and airbrake another 1000ft. But guys with time in 18's are saying they can well, it seems odd but who the f am I to disagree? I maintain I would laugh my ass off if I saw it, but I won't disagree. Oddly enough E/F's are different, i have seen a pilot hold the nose up ala viper style, but Charlies?

 

The notion that all planes can flare depends on how you define flare. Most planes decrease their vertical speed prior to landing, but flaring is a specific maneuver - aft stick. C-17s don't flare, they add power while maintaining constant AOA to decrease vertical speed. Per FAA that's not flaring. Other planes must be flared, but require 4 control inputs to do properly and will really test your stick and rudder skills. I learned to fly taildraggers in a decathalon - great plane, finicky with a ton of adverse yaw (like most taildraggers). In a crosswind its a handful. If not aligned perfectly on touchdown she might switch ends on you. Slip makes her fall like a rock and requires power to compensate, which increases P factor, which must be corrected for (in addition to adverse yaw). More that 50 fpm and you bounce, misaligned and you spin. Nobody would say you don't flare a decathlon, T-6 or P-51 or Su-26, but you flare with power, elevator, aileron and rudder.

 

??? The Hornet isn't special. Aft stick in the Hornet landing configuration results in increased AoA and reduced sink rate, just the same as any other aircraft, regardless of additional power.

 

Fav post. After stick = nose up, increase AOA, decrease sink. Yes. Is true for ~3-4 seconds. W/o power you might find sink rate increase rather rapidly.

 

Sorry for being a bitch, but this thread is just so damn full of stupid it hurts.

[Ziptie]

Yeah, this thread got a one star from me. Was great until after the two qualified real life pilots gave their input (Mover and Lex). Then the arm chair pilots got in and rehashed a year old post. Wish the mods would close this, as it went from good brief chatter - to multiple pages of flaming.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Don (callsign Ziptie)

[Sarge55]

Yeah, this thread got a one star from me. Was great until after the two qualified real life pilots gave their input (Mover and Lex). Then the arm chair pilots got in and rehashed a year old post. Wish the mods would close this, as it went from good brief chatter - to multiple pages of flaming.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Don (callsign Ziptie)

 

Just report it and they will close it.

 

Personally I find it entertaining although I see a couple of my blacklisted members have popped on so it must be getting good. :music_whistling:

[Bluecat]

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