Omega Oska Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 I have been trying to destroy a runway on the Su-27, but it seems that no bombs can get the job done. And by destroy I mean that the target diamond should disappear after the target is eliminated. I have watched in movies that they use some sort of cluster bombs for runway attack, is it true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geier Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 I have been trying to destroy a runway on the Su-27, but it seems that no bombs can get the job done. And by destroy I mean that the target diamond should disappear after the target is eliminated. I have watched in movies that they use some sort of cluster bombs for runway attack, is it true? BetAB-250 BetAB-500 BetAB-500sp - the most effective one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159_Archer Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Don't you worry yourself about the diamond dissapearing. If you hit a runway, you will damage it. And actually, cluster-bombs are about the best runway denial weapon within Lock-on. You can also use cannons to damage the surface quite sufficiently. Just try using them, then try to land/take-off from it... BTW, just 'cos you can't see any damage, doesn't mean there isn't any! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 159th Guards Aviation Regiment; recruiting now! http://www.159thgar.com/ We now fly all modern Jets and Helos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Sqn_Fudd Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 And actually, cluster-bombs are about the best runway denial weapon within Lock-on. You can also use cannons to damage the surface quite sufficiently. Just try using them, then try to land/take-off from it... Bomb for Bomb do you think clusters (do you mean Mk-20's) are better than BetAB-500sp? How are the Russian fixed canister cluster munitions on runways? ever test? Ill run a test at some point... runway/taxiway denial is so much fun To the OP... The runway cratering munitions i think you're thinking of are the centerline pod that are designed for Tornados http://3sqn.com/forum/ Here's to 1.13 -- > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0488djMDBU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159_Archer Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Fudd; I did a number of tests to see just how much of the RW surface could be damaged. The trouble with the bigger bombs is that they can sure make a nice big hole, but if you drop a stick of them down a RW, there is normally enough space to allow operations to continue. You can drop them diagonally, and this does help, but I find smaller and more numerous weapons get scattered across a bigger area. As I fly the 25T almost all the time, I tend to use the RBK-250 as a rule. As mentioned about using cannons (the 25T pods are good...) you won't see damage to the surface, but just you try and run over it! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 159th Guards Aviation Regiment; recruiting now! http://www.159thgar.com/ We now fly all modern Jets and Helos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Scythe Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Cluster munitions are by far the most effective anti-runway weapon in Lock On. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Well in real life, ammunitions like concrete penetrating bombs are the best weapons to destroy a runway so BetAB-500sp would be the most effective one as they are created exactly for this purpose (and penetrating bunkers). In LockOn this is not the case becayse the digg in and explode effect is not modeled so any weapon that leaves many (or one huge) damage texture(s) are most effective... and in this case even gunpods might indeed do a great job (although I never tried this so I can't confirm). if you drop 2 or 3 Mk-84's right next to each other in the middle of the runway... you will block the whole runway completely. Since Su-25T's need quite a bit or runway to accelerate fully loaded you take them the oportunity to take off. Fighters on the other hand don't need much runway (especially MiG-29) so if it's along runway yuo'll need to drop 6 Mk-84's 1/3 and 2/3 of the ruway length... that way it'l be completely out. But then you have the taxyway... so you're gonna need more bombs :thumbup: 1 No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Dont see anyone mentioning the durandals.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Maybe cause no one tried/used them? There are quite a few weapons I never used (bombs especially) No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159_Archer Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Dont see anyone mentioning the durandals.. :huh: What the h*** are they, exactly? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 159th Guards Aviation Regiment; recruiting now! http://www.159thgar.com/ We now fly all modern Jets and Helos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted June 25, 2007 ED Team Share Posted June 25, 2007 Try a B-61. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Sqn_Fudd Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Yeh a B-61 would do the trick alright.... Ok I ran a test this morning with the Su-25a... using the BetAB-500SHP, RBK-500, KMGU-2 (both types) It seems for pure "you're going to die if you takeoff or land on this" nothing beats the BetAB-500... However the RBK-500 does an excellent job, but I could land and then repair the damage... very tricky landing The KMGU damage was clear but the lateral runway damage footprint seemed too narrow (when aligned firmly with runway centerline.) Just my thoughts... I didnt test ripple rates too much... http://3sqn.com/forum/ Here's to 1.13 -- > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0488djMDBU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesystem Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 :huh: What the h*** are they, exactly? Durandal bombs are made to first propel into the runway and then explode... http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/blu-107.htm DCS World, A10C, AV8B, M2k, FA18C, FC3, MIG21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159_Archer Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Hey (3sqn) Fudd, you managed to land on a runway that you CBU'd, and repair OK? Whenever I try this in my 25t, it cartwheels to destruction! Do the older flight model planes not suffer so heavily on lighter damaged runways? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 159th Guards Aviation Regiment; recruiting now! http://www.159thgar.com/ We now fly all modern Jets and Helos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 :huh: What the h*** are they, exactly? Think of it as a rocket propelled Mk-83 designed to buckle hardened runways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159_Archer Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Re: Durandals, -I'd never heard that name before. Stuff I load on my frog are BetAB-250/500. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 159th Guards Aviation Regiment; recruiting now! http://www.159thgar.com/ We now fly all modern Jets and Helos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weta43 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 He used the Su-25A - which has AFM... The carwheeling comes from having the gear down - much better to belly land on rough surfaces :-) Same place, different run - making a habit of it... Don't know what happens when your plane repairs if you've got the gear up though. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 BetAB's are guaranteed to get the job done every time....... 1 Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Holy S~!@T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp0nge Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 LMFAO wonder how long that would stall traffic at that air field.. Is breaking the laws of gravity illegal? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Looks like those BetAB really work well for runway destruction. By the looks of it a single Su-25A armed with them has the potential to take out the runway and taxiways out of operation... No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avimimus Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 How does this sound? - A major benefit of cratering weapons such as the Betab is their ability to make large and deep craters that take time to fill in. - Smaller weapons (eg. one of the KGMU fillings that exist in Lomac) are used to create shorter term but more comprehensive damage. In real life a combination of these weapons is generally used (eg. the JP-233 which has large cratering munitions and smaller area denial munitions that use proximity triggers and random dentonation timers to hamper runway repairs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Id like to know if ED will someday put the vaark back into the game. Someone made a mod for it lo so many years ago, but huh. That plane would carry mad amount of durandals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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