DELETE PLEASE MODS

[Jar_VFA-113]

DELETE PLEASE MODS

Edited December 13, 2021 by LORD FLASHEART

[TonyG]

Interesting. I tend to keep my AoA just above centre on the E bracket when it’s trimmed out with the same idea in mind. That way if I do find the need to dip the nose, I’m probably getting the AoA back in where it needs to be.

[Razi]

You might be interested in this thread Jar: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=225991

Matt has put quite a lot of work into the Carrier landing geometry and IFLOLS as implemented in DCS.

[Deano87]

Awesome work JAR as per usual!:thumbup: Check your PMs!

 

:pilotfly:

Edited December 22, 2018 by Deano87

[Fonz_408]

That's a cool cockpit

[Jar_VFA-113]

Thanks Tony I will try that in tonight PLAT video. We need to get your squad to come fly with us soon too!

 

Razi that’s a very cool thread I did skim it but will go back and take a better look. It’s my fault though as I’m not going to blame Mother until I fix my AOA dip :)

 

Cheers Deano that’s a very interesting and kind offer. The real Tornado/Hornet stick I have has the offset built in, am hoping TM has a copy of the real Hornet stick and has implemented the twist. Maybe Wags could let us know ;)

 

Cheers Fonz - sometime this week I’m uploading a full cockpit tour video including construction.

Edited December 22, 2018 by JAR VFA-113 STINGERS

[Deano87]

Cheers Deano that’s a very interesting and kind offer. The real Tornado/Hornet stick I have has the statist built in, am hoping TM has a copy of the real Hornet stick and has implemented the twist. Maybe Wags could let us know ;)

 

Unfortunately all the TM Hornet stick prototypes I've seen are straight, this works better for a desk/sidestick setup I guess.. I also have a Tornado GR4 stick that I'm working on, shoot me an e:mail JAR pls. :thumbup:

 

[Jar_VFA-113]

That’s cool Deano but the (lack of) twist hasn’t really bothered me and I’m sure the new TM Hornet stick is going to be amazing. It’s is better they keep it user friendly for people that aren’t crazy enough to build a sim pit.

Edited December 22, 2018 by JAR VFA-113 STINGERS

[KIO1606688872]

I've noticed the wires seem to be not quite aligned with the lens. As mentioned previously, there seems to be something a little off about it. Center ball you normally catch the 4 in DCS, and halfway tall is a bolter in DCS as well, where you can be stable near full tall IRL and catch the 4.

[macedk]

Just prior to touchdown, you have low aoa. Seems to me you are fighting aoa all the way. I try to square aoa in the last part of the downwind and final small trim in the last turn.

 

Then "all" I have to concentrate on is altitude and the 30 degree bank.

 

But I trap 2 or 4 mostly, I struggle with when to turn for the last 90.

 

But review the tracks and slowmo it :). U might see that you are very close or just unlucky.

 

But you live up to your callsign: Jar Jar best 4 wire by far ;)

 

Good videos Mate :)

[Top Jockey]

Hello everyone,

 

I'm going to make avail of this thread to ask for your advice please:

 

While landing at the carrier USS John Stennis, 50 % of the times the tail hook rebounds on the carrier deck, comming up before catching any wire.

 

How do you manage to land in the carrier without it happening ?

 

Thank you.

[macedk]

Hello everyone,

 

I'm going to make avail of this thread to ask for your advice please:

 

While landing at the carrier USS John Stennis, 50 % of the times the tail hook rebounds on the carrier deck, comming up before catching any wire.

 

How do you manage to land in the carrier without it happening ?

 

Thank you.

 

Hmmm get a track or make a video ...could be many things.

 

Unsafe bet is that you are fast and early, meaning hitting the hook before 1 wire and bouncing over all the rest of the wires .

[Top Jockey]

Hmmm get a track or make a video ...could be many things.

 

Unsafe bet is that you are fast and early, meaning hitting the hook before 1 wire and bouncing over all the rest of the wires .

 

Hello macedk,

 

I'm yet to learn how to make a video or track.

 

I believe you maybe right.

And also I'm probably landing with to high sink rate (vertical velocity)...

 

I believe my AoA indicator and lights are correct, and I'm landing with 130 kts, don't know the ideal sink rate though.

[David OC]

Hello macedk,

 

I'm yet to learn how to make a video or track.

 

I believe you maybe right.

And also I'm probably landing with to high sink rate (vertical velocity)...

 

I believe my AoA indicator and lights are correct, and I'm landing with 130 kts, don't know the ideal sink rate though.

 

This tells us a lot Top Jockey

 

"I'm landing with 130 kts" (Speed means nothing once "TRIMMED" to on speed AOA (Navy ;)) Forget speed and trim for On speed.

 

Check you weight (Fuel dump or drop stores) 33,000 pounds, check DDI --> checklist page for weight.

 

"don't know the ideal sink rate" (It's called ball flying) You keep the ball centered as you fly down the glide slope. It gives you your sink rate.

 

I made a full thread about all this cool stuff:)

 

Lots of great links to training in that thread.

 

It's all about the pattern to setup for the groove, then fly the ball.

 

It takes time to get right and is perishable if not practiced A LOT.:cry:

 

This video is what you need to learn to get "proficient" practice, practice, practice!

 

Edited December 23, 2018 by David OC

[Top Jockey]

Hello David OC,

 

Thank you for the insight!

 

I'm going to look at the link and the vídeo - will post here afterwards. :thumbup:

[dawgie79]

ICLS during daytime/CASE 1? Shame on you! ;)

[lucky-hendrix]

He flys VR the ball is difficult to see, so just a small compensation

 

Sent from my VTR-L09 using Tapatalk

[Jar_VFA-113]

Hi Dawgie believe it or not it was a real F/A-18 guy that asked me to add ICLS to our case 1 LSO mission. Apparently they use it during final turn to assist with nailing glideslope.

You place your flight path marker on top of the horizontal line like “an apple on a plate” and that will set you up nice at the start.

 

At around the 90 you can see my FPM I way too high above the line and I say so on comms.

 

Yes it also helps in VR, I need to be at half mile to really see the ball well. But I don’t use it beyond the start and definetly not for centerline.

[dawgie79]

Hi Dawgie believe it or not it was a real F/A-18 guy that asked me to add ICLS to our case 1 LSO mission. Apparently they use it during final turn to assist with nailing glideslope.

You place your flight path marker on top of the horizontal line like “an apple on a plate” and that will set you up nice at the start.

 

At around the 90 you can see my FPM I way too high above the line and I say so on comms.

 

Yes it also helps in VR, I need to be at half mile to really see the ball well. But I don’t use it beyond the start and definetly not for centerline.

All is well, it was just meant as a little joke, hence the winksmiley. :)

Thanks for the tip though, I'm gonna try using it soon to see how it helps with the glideslope.

 

 

 

I know, in VR it's much, much better. The feeling the first time hitting the wire in VR was an awesome sensation.

 

 

By the way, I often watch your carrier trap vids, really cool with the mod to watch!

 

 

 

Again, no worries. And happy holidays to you, and everyone.

[Jar_VFA-113]

Yeah no probs I was surprised too and I said to him "why do we need ILS for case 1"?!?

 

It helps a LOT though, just have to remember that the needles make you low if you make a perfect cross, this is the same in real life I believe.

[Fropa]

just have to remember that the needles make you low if you make a perfect cross, this is the same in real life I believe.

 

I also noticed that! Just assumed that's how it is in the real Hornet. Definitely helps with your altitude at the 90 and finishing the turn into the groove for sure.

 

Btw, loving these behind the scenes, academic-type series of vids you guys have been doing! Keep up the nerdery!! :P

[Jar_VFA-113]

Thanks Fropa.

Yeah I hate hearing how mean I sound correcting poor Barney every 5 mins which is why I’m acting like such an over the top jerk in the first part :)

 

Barney is new but doing good. I couldn’t have asked for a better flight in showcasing common mistakes people make in port holding or as a flight lead.

[speed-of-heat]

just have to remember that the needles make you low if you make a perfect cross, this is the same in real life I believe.

 

I feel really hesitant in suggesting this, because I am a complete noob and I'm happy not to explode consistently when I 'Land' on the boat...

 

but...

 

I wonder if you are practically over correcting here... which is causing you to grab the four wire, because you are holding the needles 'a little high' to avoid making 'a perfect cross'... Just a suggestion... Either try with out ICLS or try holding the perfect cross?

[David OC]

I feel really hesitant in suggesting this, because I am a complete noob and I'm happy not to explode consistently when I 'Land' on the boat...

 

but...

 

I wonder if you are practically over correcting here... which is causing you to grab the four wire, because you are holding the needles 'a little high' to avoid making 'a perfect cross'... Just a suggestion... Either try with out ICLS or try holding the perfect cross?

 

You should only use ICLS just into the groove on a monitor (zoom in a little) or about 1/4 mile, or half way in the groove in VR. Then switch to the ball...

 

The most important part is (Setting) On speed (Spot on) on the downwind (Wings Level) this sets you up for the correct AOA when in the groove and back to (Wings Level). Don't mess with it when coming around into the groove, it's trimmed wings leveled so it right when level.

 

I have the controls up in this vid

 

 

EDIT

Quote Curly (Engineer)

 

"The key aspect to understanding why this technique is used is often overlooked and relates to stability. The start of this technique is predicated up on the fact that we are trimmed for level flight before turning on final." Here's the full Post

 

.

Edited December 24, 2018 by David OC

[Fropa]

Thanks Fropa.

Yeah I hate hearing how mean I sound correcting poor Barney every 5 mins which is why I’m acting like such an over the top jerk in the first part :)

 

Barney is new but doing good. I couldn’t have asked for a better flight in showcasing common mistakes people make in port holding or as a flight lead.

 

Only a miserable keyboard warrior would call that being a jerk. You're a good teacher! Kudos to Barney for letting us see his mistakes, because it helps people like me who want to learn more about combat aviation :)