Mig-19 Videos

[DerNeueMensch]

There is already a Sticky with Screenshots, so maybe we can do the same with Videos, Here is mine:

 

[=DECOY=]

great idea, will make a sticky.

 

And GREAT video BTW :)

[Sydy]

Hi guys,

 

Decided to make a movie about the Mig-19P. No cinematic or fancy music. Just a nice Element takeoff, a lot of kills and some misses (all MP dissimilar Air Combat):

 

 

It was a quite fun. I hope you like it.

 

All the best,

 

Sydy

[Ed1]

nice videos guys. Love that MiG-19!

[Count von Altibar]

They're cracking Mig-19 videos, making me want to learn the module. Seems a pretty deadly platform and looks gorgeous.

[enigma6584]

@SydyThat was a great Mig-19 video!

[Sydy]

On 12/22/2020 at 8:20 PM, enigma6584 said:

@SydyThat was a great Mig-19 video!

Thanks a lot. I had a lot of fun flying it.

[Doc3908]

The video below is a fictitious Vietnam War engagement between three Vietnamese MiG-19s and an American strike package of four F-105s escorted by two F-4Es. Without countermeasures and with only two missiles and few gun rounds, I found this mission quite challenging. The fact that I hadn't flown the MiG-19 in a long while made this even more challenging. Hope you enjoy the video:

 

 

[Doc3908]

I promised someone a video of a MiG-19 vs. F-5E engagement. I'm VERY rusty with the MiG-19 - both flying and especially aiming.  Still, lots of fun.

 

 

[Doc3908]

Wanted to test out the new FM of the MiG-19 against a worthy opponent, so I chose the F-15C with AI set to "veteran". To my big surprise, the MiG-19 now outturns the F-15 both in 1C and 2C fights (at least against veteran AI). I'm curious to try turning against a human opponent - most likely the AI simply doesn't use the F-15 to its full potential. 

 

 

[rossmum]

Haven't tried it against a human-flown 15, but I can tell you it is a very close match in sustained turns with a human-flown F-14. The problem becomes the Tomcat's insane nose authority and good low-speed handling, which the 19 can't really keep up with. It's a very interesting fight.

[AlpineGTA]

https://youtu.be/Y4fr75drbwo

[QB.Gregor]

 

[Krez]

On 7/28/2022 at 11:23 AM, QB.Gregor said:

 

This how I imagine my sorties going. It's the exact opposite of this awesomeness.

[QB.Gregor]

On 7/31/2022 at 5:27 AM, Krez said:

This how I imagine my sorties going. It's the exact opposite of this awesomeness.

Haha to be fair you just get to see the good fights in the video. There have been a good number stupid deaths and missed shots on the way.

[Pat21]

Polish Air Force MiG-19P display - Warsaw-Babice, July 1958:

 

[LowRider88]

On 3/5/2021 at 10:07 AM, Doc3908 said:

The video below is a fictitious Vietnam War engagement between three Vietnamese MiG-19s and an American strike package of four F-105s escorted by two F-4Es. Without countermeasures and with only two missiles and few gun rounds, I found this mission quite challenging. The fact that I hadn't flown the MiG-19 in a long while made this even more challenging. Hope you enjoy the video:

 

 

Out of all the videos I’ve seen, yours are most impressive, because you keep it real and don’t use zoom or snap views in the cockpit, and rely only on visual pattern recognition, radar, radio communication and maybe formations to ID the targets.

I also like in this video that it was against historically relevant opponents of the 19.

If you turned off the text, this could be a good docu-drama.

[LowRider88]

On 8/29/2021 at 10:41 AM, Doc3908 said:

Wanted to test out the new FM of the MiG-19 against a worthy opponent, so I chose the F-15C with AI set to "veteran". To my big surprise, the MiG-19 now outturns the F-15 both in 1C and 2C fights (at least against veteran AI). I'm curious to try turning against a human opponent - most likely the AI simply doesn't use the F-15 to its full potential. 

 

 

I find it harder to get turn rate and radius details online for planes.  Usually that kind of detail would be in paid manuals which I don’t always have.

So I typically rely on ballpark figures by calculating the wing loading and thrust to weight ratio values based on the empty weight, wing area, and thrust values, which are easily found in the Specs on the plane’s wiki pages.

As a rough calculation, the F-15 has a better T/W ratio, but the MiG-19 has a better wingloading, and is also far lighter.

So, so long as you don’t follow him up too much in a climb, and the opponent doesn’t let off the afterburner, I think it is realistic that you beat him.

That latest MiG-19 FM tweak at that time seems legit, since they posted graphs showing the DCS version against the real FM and the lines lined up.

I haven’t played DCS in over a year, and can’t confirm, but as far as I know they still haven’t fixed the maneuvering flaps retraction speed, which currently retracts too high, around 800 or 700 kph, when according the the manual it should retract lower, at 500 kph.

So the MiG should be even more maneuverable in real life compared to the handicapped DCS version we have.

[Doc3908]

22 hours ago, LowRider88 said:

Out of all the videos I’ve seen, yours are most impressive, because you keep it real and don’t use zoom or snap views in the cockpit, and rely only on visual pattern recognition, radar, radio communication and maybe formations to ID the targets.

I also like in this video that it was against historically relevant opponents of the 19.

If you turned off the text, this could be a good docu-drama.

Thank you so much. Here's another similar video from a couple of weeks ago:

 

[LowRider88]

1 hour ago, Doc3908 said:

Thank you so much. Here's another similar video from a couple of weeks ago:

 

I guess I spoke too soon.  You also use zoom in the cockpit 

Your previous vids were more impressive because, from what I could tell you did not rely on zoom to find targets.

I guess I can’t blame you, as in the heat of battle, you use what you can.

That is why it sucks that there is no online server that disables zoom in cockpit.

Virtual pilots are unrealistically finding things easily using this superhuman ability and are seriously missing out on learning real methods for finding targets like formation flying, radio communication, AWACS/GCI, Radar/RWR.

Most of these guys might not fare so well in real life because they rely upon the zoom in like a crutch.

But I suspect you would do better than them in real life, as your previous videos you didn’t touch zoom, and here you didn’t use it when targeting, only searching.

But anyway, great video.  I like the historical scenario again.  And liked the defensive rolling scissors you used before the first kill.

[Doc3908]

Yeah, I do use zoom on occasion. WW2 warbirds are fairly easy to tell apart (and you have to get close to fire anyway), but without IFF, I wonder how did those guys flying MiG-19s and F-4B/Cs managed not to shoot their friends. Makes the concept of BVR missiles like the AIM7 totally useless - after the merge, no GCI can tell you who is who... The countermeasures is what usually tells me who it is, but for that they need to start flaring. And the MiG-19 doesn't even have countermeasures. And flying VR exclusively, it's even more challenging - low resolution compared to flat screen monitors and constantly craning your neck to get a fleeting glimpse of someone flying past you.

As for real life - I hope none of us have to engage in this type of "contest" ever...

Edited February 27, 2023 by Doc3908

[Doc3908]

On 2/26/2023 at 1:29 PM, LowRider88 said:

That is why it sucks that there is no online server that disables zoom in cockpit.

I completely agree. Serious servers like 4YA and Enigma Cold War claim to focus on realism, yet miss out on such a basic thing as disabling zoom. There have been many threads over the years where people vehemently argued about the use of zoom - both for and against. I understand most arguments, but at the end of the day, it remains an unrealistic tool as far as I'm concerned.

[LowRider88]

23 hours ago, Doc3908 said:

Yeah, I do use zoom on occasion. WW2 warbirds are fairly easy to tell apart (and you have to get close to fire anyway), but without IFF, I wonder how did those guys flying MiG-19s and F-4B/Cs managed not to shoot their friends. Makes the concept of BVR missiles like the AIM7 totally useless - after the merge, no GCI can tell you who is who... The countermeasures is what usually tells me who it is, but for that they need to start flaring. And the MiG-19 doesn't even have countermeasures. And flying VR exclusively, it's even more challenging - low resolution compared to flat screen monitors and constantly craning your neck to get a fleeting glimpse of someone flying past you.

As for real life - I hope none of us have to engage in this type of "contest" ever...

 

I completely agree with all your points.  Especially the last one.  War is only fun when it is virtual

For the VR I wouldn’t mind the neck craning since it is realistic, but yes, I heard the same about the VR resolution problem (I use TrackIR), so you are right.

Regarding the real F-4 pilots, I read this book called Clashes.  So it seems during the Vietnam war, the only thine they could use the BVR was when they got radio confirmation from AWACS that no friendlies were in front, and when they were using some IFF hack called tree to identify opponents.  It was a great book.

I will keep an eye out for more of your videos.  Nice flying!

[QB.Gregor]

Another video for the best plane

 

[Sarowa]

Taking off on one engine while the other engine is still starting.

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Sarowa