D-Scythe Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 Hmm, thought we had a thread on this already. Mostly ACM...here's (a) link: Indra Dhanush 2007 ...And perhaps the part that holds the most interest to some of us: "RAF Tornado pilots were candid in their admission of the Su-30 MKI's superior manoeuvring in the air, just as they had anticipated, but the IAF pilots were also impressed by the Typhoon's agility in the air." BTW, no TVC or radar for the Su-30MKI during the exercise.
britgliderpilot Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 Hmm, thought we had a thread on this already. Mostly ACM...here's (a) link: Indra Dhanush 2007 ...And perhaps the part that holds the most interest to some of us: "RAF Tornado pilots were candid in their admission of the Su-30 MKI's superior manoeuvring in the air, just as they had anticipated, but the IAF pilots were also impressed by the Typhoon's agility in the air." BTW, no TVC or radar for the Su-30MKI during the exercise. It is interesting, but I didn't see the quote saying it - apart from secondhand from the journalist. If the Typhoon was outmaneuvred by an Su30 without thrust vectoring, I'd be quite disappointed in our new acquisition . . . . http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
D-Scythe Posted August 6, 2007 Author Posted August 6, 2007 It is interesting, but I didn't see the quote saying it - apart from secondhand from the journalist. If the Typhoon was outmaneuvred by an Su30 without thrust vectoring, I'd be quite disappointed in our new acquisition . . . . I only read Tornado pilots acknowledging the Flanker's superior agility - nothing about the Typhoon, cept that Indian Flanker pilots were "impressed."
britgliderpilot Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 I only read Tornado pilots acknowledging the Flanker's superior agility - nothing about the Typhoon, cept that Indian Flanker pilots were "impressed." Oh, right, I misread it then. Something outmaneuvring an F3 really isn't something to worry about . . . . grin. BTW, you need to remove the last slash from that link . . . . http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
mcnab Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 No radars? But that so sucks. Doing only gunzo with that jets is like having 2 Ferraris racing inside the pitlane. With speed limiter on. And with rain tires. On a sunny day. Need I say more?
tflash Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 Whether it are the IAF Su-30 pilots or the British Typhoon drivers ... grrr the lucky b.... OK, I will continue to drive my Opel Astra and whine a bit on Lockon to cope with my very real jealousy. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Force_Feedback Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 Wonder if they were allowed to use the EOS for ranging? Maybe they made all the kills with the horizontal ladder, or whatever the name of that 'fit wingspan, hit there' thingy is. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
D-Scythe Posted August 6, 2007 Author Posted August 6, 2007 Something outmaneuvring an F3 really isn't something to worry about . . . . grin. Yup. BTW, you need to remove the last slash from that link . . . . Thanks, fixed.
rogue_blade Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 cool thats awsome. wish they gave some more details of the eurofighter vs that russian piece [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
SVK_Fox Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 :thumbup:Wow, thanks for post, I love the pictures like those, but this one is amazing http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/hangar/2007/441indians/flanker.htm
rogue_blade Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 heres the best pics i could find of the event that had all three main contenders [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Pilotasso Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 Hmm, thought we had a thread on this already. Mostly ACM...here's (a) link: Indra Dhanush 2007 ...And perhaps the part that holds the most interest to some of us: "RAF Tornado pilots were candid in their admission of the Su-30 MKI's superior manoeuvring in the air, just as they had anticipated, but the IAF pilots were also impressed by the Typhoon's agility in the air." BTW, no TVC or radar for the Su-30MKI during the exercise. Im not surprised, the F3 was developed from a fighter bomber and it inherited the mud movers high wing loading. This plane as a dogfighter is also known as "tomato" in europe. In BFM the MKI will murder it nearly everytime. .
Weta43 Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 Im not surprised, the F3 was developed from a fighter bomber and it inherited the mud movers high wing loading. I'd have thought a mud mover would have a low wing loading (A10 case in point) ? Cheers.
britgliderpilot Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 I'd have thought a mud mover would have a low wing loading (A10 case in point) ? Subtly different variety of mudmover. The Tornado is a low-level, high-speed strike aircraft - built to cruise veryveryfast through attack runs. High wing loading is a bonus in these conditions . . . . gives a smoother ride. See Jaguar, Harrier, and the TSR2. The A-10 is an agile CAS/tankbuster - twisting and turning is what it does. See the difference? :) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Kula66 Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 Im not surprised, the F3 was developed from a fighter bomber and it inherited the mud movers high wing loading. This plane as a dogfighter is also known as "tomato" in europe. In BFM the MKI will murder it nearly everytime. A major factor is the engines ... optimsed for low-level. Apparently they need to use AB to A2A refuel if done too high just to keep up with the Tristar/VC-10! And then you can't get the fuel in as quickly as its used in the AB via the hose! But out over the Atlantic hunting Bears/Blinders/Backfires (ie. nothing that turns too well or runs too fast!) ... that's its playground. BGP: Apparently the F-15E is a really rough ride down low ... due to low wing loading!
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