Next theaters and aircraft

[davidtsw]

Hi guys,

 

What do you think should be the next maps and aircraft we need in DCS? I'd like to discuss them together simply because it's pointless IMO to buy the F86 without the Korea theater, etc.

 

So we know that Syria, Afghanistan and the Falklands (Razbam) have been announced / confirmed. Here's my take:

 

I'm particularly excited about the Falklands. Razbam have mentioned releasing a few era-appropriate aircraft to go with the map, but even if they don't, we could still use the existing Harrier (yeah, I know it's not the exact version that flew there), the Mirage (same), the Gazelle apparently and all that is missing really is a proper payware A4 Skyhawk.

 

Syria and Afghanistan are both great ideas and I'm sure they will be very successful. Lots and lots of aircraft both available and upcoming can be used there: Mig29s, Mig21, Ka50 (not quite the -52 but close enough I guess), Mi24, Mi8, plus the western birds like the upcoming F16 and more for Syria and then the A10C's playground Afghanistan would also suit aircraft like the Gazelle, F16, F15, Harrier and from the Soviet war the FC3 Su25 would be perfect together with Mig21, Mi24, Mi8, etc. We'll never run out of things to fly there for sure.

 

From here there are a few theaters DCS could go for and they would all be fantastic:

 

- Vietnam, especially if we get that A4 and the already announced Phantom! I went to a local Vietnam War museum which has some downed American aircraft on display and this bird, even just the wreckage, looks so damn powerful and aggressive. I'd love to fly it over Vietnam. We already have Mig19 and Mig15 and the existing Mig21 could also be used.

 

- Iraq, for the first Gulf War, the more recent one as well as the struggle against ISIS. Again, lots of birds to fly especially considering the present-day Iraqi Air Force now flies the Su25 (we seriously need an updated version of this plane for Syria, too)

 

Fictional conflicts over real maps: I see no need at all to create any fictional maps since there are more than enough real places where conflicts could start like somewhere near the Chinese coast, perhaps near Japan or the Philippines or maybe Taiwan, the Baltic States or now Venezuela. The options are there.

 

And finally more WW2 theaters. I feel there is a huge potential that is not being utilized at the moment with the other sim I don't want to mention leading the way. They could extend Normandy to make room for the Battle of Britain, do the N. African theater, something from the Eastern front maybe or the Pacific on top of the already announced map which no one really knows what it is.

 

All in all, there are at least 10 theaters that I believe would be profitable and suitable for DCS. Realistically, that's probably at least 10 years of flying assuming we get one every year. Hope ED isn't going anywhere any soon! :lol:

Edited March 19, 2019 by davidtsw

[Rick50]

I would LOVE to see Norway with the Eurofighter 2000... lots of glaciers, low clouds, and invadin armies of tanks and Flankers!

 

And maybe someone could make a soundtrack that resembles a 90's hit simulation that shall remain nameless...

 

Also love the idea of Vietnam map

 

 

Also, the F-117 and Iraq. The nighthawk might be a "simple" or FC level plane, as the details may be too limited for a full fidelity sim, and priced low since it can really only precision bomb and maybe throw a sidewinder at an AWACS. Though most print doesn't mention any A2A capability, I'm pretty sure I saw at least one pic of one in flight, with a sidewinder on a rail poking from the bomb bay rack. Obviously not meant for dogfighting, as its got very little sensors and little maneuverability... I think it was meant to passively take datalink vectors to sneak up on an enemy AWACS and shoot it in the but. Not sure if they ever actually fired a 'Winder from it on a range somewhere, but I do believe that was one plan for use.

 

 

MH-60 for Iraq. Maybe the DAP gunship version. Or the PJ rescue variant for CSAR missions. Or VelcroHawk.

 

 

But ultimately I want to see Norwegian mountains in DCS!!!

Edited March 19, 2019 by Rick50

[Xilon_x]

I would LOVE to see Norway with the Eurofighter 2000... lots of glaciers, low clouds, and invadin armies of tanks and Flankers!

 

And maybe someone could make a soundtrack that resembles a 90's hit simulation that shall remain nameless...

 

Also love the idea of Vietnam map

 

 

Also, the F-117 and Iraq. The nighthawk might be a "simple" or FC level plane, as the details may be too limited for a full fidelity sim, and priced low since it can really only precision bomb and maybe throw a sidewinder at an AWACS. Though most print doesn't mention any A2A capability, I'm pretty sure I saw at least one pic of one in flight, with a sidewinder on a rail poking from the bomb bay rack. Obviously not meant for dogfighting, as its got very little sensors and little maneuverability... I think it was meant to passively take datalink vectors to sneak up on an enemy AWACS and shoot it in the but. Not sure if they ever actually fired a 'Winder from it on a range somewhere, but I do believe that was one plan for use.

 

 

MH-60 for Iraq. Maybe the DAP gunship version. Or the PJ rescue variant for CSAR missions. Or VelcroHawk.

 

 

But ultimately I want to see Norwegian mountains in DCS!!!

 

 

and the Italians? don't you Italians calculate them? do you ignore the Italians? the beautiful Norway(NORVEGIA) has one thing ...... the fjords, and the place where the battleship BISMARK sank.

 

the real mountains the highest the most beautiful the most important in Europe you can find in ITALY the ITALIAN ALPS.

[sea2sky]

Hi guys,

 

What do you think should be the next...

 

 

I think the next should be: improved AI, ATC, weather, vr performance, may be a dynamic campaign or at least some kind of advanced mission generator.

[davidtsw]

I think the next should be: improved AI, ATC, weather, vr performance, may be a dynamic campaign or at least some kind of advanced mission generator.

 

That's not what the topic is about.

[drPhibes]

and the Italians? don't you Italians calculate them? do you ignore the Italians? the beautiful Norway(NORVEGIA) has one thing ...... the fjords, and the place where the battleship BISMARK sank.

 

the real mountains the highest the most beautiful the most important in Europe you can find in ITALY the ITALIAN ALPS.

 

 

The Bismarck sank approximately 650km west of the French city Brest.

 

 

And since you apparently think that you speak on behalf of all Italians, YES, we are ignoring the Italians.

[Xilon_x]

The Bismarck sank approximately 650km west of the French city Brest.

 

 

And since you apparently think that you speak on behalf of all Italians, YES, we are ignoring the Italians.

 

 

 

 

SORRY I CORRECT TRIPIZ BATTLESHIP

 

 

 

IF YOU IGNORE ITALY AND ALPS ITALIAN YOU NOT EUROPEAN CITIZEN.

[AeriaGloria]

Heatblur has posted kneeboards with a Sweden map

[sea2sky]

That's not what the topic is about.

 

 

I realize. But if we create right topics it may drive ED's decisions to the right direction:). It is hard to disagree that this sim currently is over-saturated with the modules for all sorts of tastes, but lacks some important gameplay features. Sorry for hijacking the topic.

[davidtsw]

I realize. But if we create right topics it may drive ED's decisions to the right direction:). It is hard to disagree that this sim currently is over-saturated with the modules for all sorts of tastes, but lacks some important gameplay features. Sorry for hijacking the topic.

 

Well, I do agree. Especially the weather system bothers me. Though I wouldn´t say we have so many modules to choose from. Only 2 modern maps and the free one plus just one (!) ww2 theater. We haven´t even got such an iconic theater as Vietnam and no news of it coming any soon either. Lots of aircraft are still missing and I´m not even talking about the most modern ones which for obvious reasons won´t be possible for a long time.

 

But what I mean is that even though I haven´t been playing DCS long, I´ve already realized ED isn´t exactly known for listening to the customers to say the least. I doubt they´ll see posts about this or that feature missing and then decide to implement it. They must know it very well anyway.

 

I´m just curious what other people would like to fly next and where knowing that this is not going to lead to these maps and aircraft actually being released.

 

@Rick50 Yeah, the FC-level F117 sounds good. I´m afraid it´s too modern though.

 

@AeriaGloria Wow, really ? Could you send us the link ? I haven´t been able to find anything. I wonder why Sweden, though. I mean if it´s a fictional NATO vs. Russia conflict then the Baltic States would make much more sense.

[The Falcon]

I think the next should be: improved AI, ATC, weather, vr performance, may be a dynamic campaign or at least some kind of advanced mission generator.

yes! yes! yeeeeeeeeeeeees! exatly!

[Xilon_x]

now the Americans have broken me have had the p-51 mustangs have had F-15 have had F-18and F-14 and now they also want the map of VIETNAM. Nooooooooo now enough.

 

we Europeans lack 3 planes widely used in Europe, the TORNADO EUROFIGHTER TYPHON and F-16 and in addition there is no Eurpean map centered mainly on the area of ​​the Balkans or on the Mediterranean sea area.

Edited March 20, 2019 by Xilon_x

[Northstar98]

For me I think it would have to be the Baltic Sea, around 1980-1990s

 

This map is humongous, probably too big, sitting currently at around 700,000km^2 of which approximately 300,000 of that is water. This is pretty much twice as big as NTTR, though again, much of this map is water

 

 

Includes:

 

• North Germany - including Lagge and Schleswig air bases
  
• Northern Poland - including Malbork and Świdwin air bases
  
• All of Denmark - so including Karup and Skrydstrup air bases
  
• Southern Norway, including Rygge airbase, I believe there are other reserve air bases around the region.
  
• Much of southern Sweden - including bases for Skaraborg (F 7) and Blekinge (F 17) as well as bases for Västgöta (F 6), Scania (F 10), Bråvalla (F 13) and even Göta (F 9) and Södertörn (F 18) air force wings (these have bases with hangars built into the terrain if I'm not mistaken though since the 70s not in use, still would be fun to have though).
  
• All of Kalingrad Oblast and it's associated air bases (Chernyakhovsk and Kaliningrad Chkalovsk air bases)
  
• Estonia - (Ämari air base)
  
• Roughly half of Lithuania - (Šiauliai air base)
  
• Latvia - I've just managed to squeeze in Lielvārde air base
  

 

As well as the plethora of military installations present, presumably plenty of highway strips present as well as naval bases and radar stations.

 

Plenty of potential for this map, there's enough land area to facilitate ground based warfare, but obviously the focus is on naval and amphibious warfare. Although to get the full experience from this map, proper implementation of amphibious warfare would have to probably come, as well as perhaps proper underwater implementation to facilitate submarines and their weapons, as well as naval mines.

 

Obviously a tonne of assets would probably be necessary for this map, chiefly ships, but also coastal defence and RADAR systems. Not to mention MPAs and other military aircraft not already present as AI units.

Edited March 21, 2019 by Northstar98

[Rick50]

and the Italians? don't you Italians calculate them? do you ignore the Italians? the beautiful Norway(NORVEGIA) has one thing ...... the fjords, and the place where the battleship BISMARK sank.

 

the real mountains the highest the most beautiful the most important in Europe you can find in ITALY the ITALIAN ALPS.

 

I don't calculate the Italians because Italy is too beautiful for the Soviets to invade! :D

 

Nah, I'm just nostalgic for the experience of my mid-90's adventures in the first sim I bought, EF2000, which featured a resurgent Soviet 2.0 invading Norway's terrain under cloudy weather, missions 24/7 any time of day or night.

 

${1}

 

IF YOU IGNORE ITALY AND ALPS ITALIAN YOU NOT EUROPEAN CITIZEN.

 

That's right, I'm not a European citizen!

 

 

However, a moment for reconsidering: Italy as a map would make a lot of sense for WW2 planes and campaigns, so yea, good idea! Also, while I was thinking Eurofighter for a Norway campaign, I would surely accept Italian paint for such a jet in DCS!

Edited March 20, 2019 by Rick50

[Xilon_x]

I don't calculate the Italians because Italy is too beautiful for the Soviets to invade! :D

 

Nah, I'm just nostalgic for the experience of my mid-90's adventures in the first sim I bought, EF2000, which featured a resurgent Soviet 2.0 invading Norway's terrain under cloudy weather, missions 24/7 any time of day or night.

 

${1}

 

 

 

That's right, I'm not a European citizen!

 

 

However, a moment for reconsidering: Italy as a map would make a lot of sense for WW2 planes and campaigns, so yea, good idea! Also, while I was thinking Eurofighter for a Norway campaign, I would surely accept Italian paint for such a jet in DCS!

 

 

we Italians could never invade Russia because with Russia we have excellent relations both from a religious and a cultural point of view.

 

indeed, there are many Italians who support Russia and the mentality of the putin president.

[davidtsw]

For me I think it would have to be the Baltic Sea, around 1980-1990s

 

This map is humongous, probably too big, sitting currently at around 700,000km^2 of which approximately 300,000 of that is water.

 

 

Includes:

 

• North Germany - including Lagge and Schleswig air bases
  
• Northern Poland - including Malbork and Świdwin air bases
  
• All of Denmark - so including Karup and Skrydstrup air bases
  
• Southern Norway, including Rygge airbase, I believe there are other reserve air bases around the region.
  
• Much of southern Sweden - including bases for Skaraborg (F 7) and Blekinge (F 17) as well as bases for Västgöta (F 6), Scania (F 10), Bråvalla (F 13) and even Göta (F 9) and Södertörn (F 18) air force wings (these have bases with hangars built into the terrain if I'm not mistaken though since the 70s not in use, still would be fun to have though).
  
• All of Kalingrad Oblast and it's associated air bases (Chernyakhovsk and Kaliningrad Chkalovsk air bases)
  
• Estonia - (Ämari air base)
  
• Roughly half of Lithuania - (Šiauliai air base)
  
• Latvia - I've just managed to squeeze in Lielvārde air base
  

 

As well as the plethora of military installations present, presumably plenty of highway strips present as well as naval bases and radar stations.

 

Plenty of potential for this map, there's enough land area to facilitate ground based warfare, but obviously the focus is on naval and amphibious warfare. Although to get the full experience from this map, proper implementation of amphibious warfare would have to probably come, as well as perhaps proper underwater implementation to facilitate submarines and their weapons, as well as naval mines.

 

Obviously a tonne of assets would probably be necessary for this map, chiefly ships, but also coastal defence and RADAR systems. Not to mention MPAs and other military aircraft not already present as AI units.

 

 

Definitely an interesting option and an alternative to the Baltic States map I mentioned. But I don't think your map could be used in a fictional conflicts in the 90s. The Baltic States and Eastern Poland would then have to be the main focus. For mid or late 80s though it would be absolutely fantastic. The great thing with such a map and conflict is that we could utilize lots of the already available aircraft: Su27, Mig29, Mig21, M2000C, AJ37, F15, A10 plus pretty much all the helicopters we now have. I wonder if they even consider making a map like this.

[delevero]

The map above with denmark, sweden and other countries would be a really interesting map due to the strategic importance of the big island on the map named "bornholm". I have been revealed that RUssia during the cold war planned to invade Bornholm and take it with an invation force of paratropers and bmp's ect.. and also would invade denmark from the south and south east. ( long story )

 

Els I think a map with Italy, kosovo, bosnia and balcan in general would be interesting due to the war there where nato fly from bases in italy and from carrier in the area. ( it was in that conflict the first stealth F117 was shot down by the way ) Just saying all planes in dcs fit well into this scenario.

[LINKIN]

now the Americans have broken me have had the p-51 mustangs have had F-15 have had F-18and F-14 and now they also want the map of VIETNAM. Nooooooooo now enough.

 

we Europeans lack 3 planes widely used in Europe, the TORNADO EUROFIGHTER TYPHON and F-16 and in addition there is no Eurpean map centered mainly on the area of ​​the Balkans or on the Mediterranean sea area.

 

+1

[Northstar98]

Definitely an interesting option and an alternative to the Baltic States map I mentioned. But I don't think your map could be used in a fictional conflicts in the 90s. The Baltic States and Eastern Poland would then have to be the main focus. For mid or late 80s though it would be absolutely fantastic. The great thing with such a map and conflict is that we could utilize lots of the already available aircraft: Su27, Mig29, Mig21, M2000C, AJ37, F15, A10 plus pretty much all the helicopters we now have. I wonder if they even consider making a map like this.

 

For me the time period was just down to what equipment and bases were present and functional at the time. I don't think that some of the former Swedish bases that I mentioned shouldn't be properly modelled just because their respective wings had disbanded, when they're perfectly serviceable.

 

I wanted to focus on the area I provided purely because it provides the greatest variety, you've got plenty of strategic locations, and plenty of opportunities to set up interesting scenarios. While at the same time I tried to not make it so large that it was beyond possibility (it is still pretty enormous, with fairly complex terrain and a couple of large cities - which is the main issue present) but feel free to suggest extensions, I'll post the Google Earth file when I get back.

[DAZnBLAST]

Adriatic Sea, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and Kosovo bloc would be mint

[Gierasimov]

Interesting

 

Adriatic Sea, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and Kosovo bloc would be mint

 

I think so too!

[davidtsw]

There is a 1940's map that can easily double as a 1950's map available. You can literally create fictional scenarios where an opposing force pushed into France and you have to defend it from France/England.

 

Saudi Arabia and Iran used the F-86 and we have a map that has Iran in it. It might take some time, but you can remove the modern buildings from the map in the mission editor to get a more believable environment for the time period the F-86 was used by both nations.

 

Turkey used the F-86 and that country is on the Caucaus map even though there is no airbase. You could do a fictional scenario where NATO/Soviet forces invade/defend through Georgia for the time period the F-86 used, though you would probably have to remove some buildings to make it more believable for the time period.

 

There is even a campaign featuring fictional countries and camouflage schemes for the F-86, similarly to Ace Combat.

 

Even without this stuff it all boils down to imagination. Not everything has to revolve around real life scenarios.

 

I didn't even dabble in the combat aspect in DCS for years. I can't tell you how much time I spent just flying around with the F-86 in NTTR like I was performing heritage flights or aerobatic routines.

 

 

 

Well, I agree it´s all down to your imagination in the end, but I just don´t think I´d be getting enough out of an expensive module without dedicated map(s) to use it. And modifying a map is beyond my capabilities unfortunately.

[The Falcon]

do korea first

[Rick50]

now the Americans have broken me have had the p-51 mustangs have had F-15 have had F-18and F-14 and now they also want the map of VIETNAM. Nooooooooo now enough.

 

we Europeans lack 3 planes widely used in Europe, the TORNADO EUROFIGHTER TYPHON and F-16 and in addition there is no Eurpean map centered mainly on the area of ​​the Balkans or on the Mediterranean sea area.

 

Well hopefully at least one of your wishes will come soon... the F-16 was announced by DCS recently, and it uses many of the same systems as the Hornet, so maybe development might be quicker than normal. Maybe possibly 12 months, maybe sooner?

[Xilon_x]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

F-16 was borrowed ( LEASING) here in Italy until 2012. however, it is not a European-built plane.

Edited March 24, 2019 by Xilon_x