mkiii Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Great module - but I really do not like having windscreen glass that looks like it has just been hit by a sledgehammer. Please get rid of it - and tone down the crazing on the canopy perspex if you would be so kind. I can almost live without being able to see out of the heavily crazed perspex, but not windscreen glass. Ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlapperklange Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Great module - but I really do not like having windscreen glass that looks like it has just been hit by a sledgehammer. Please get rid of it - and tone down the crazing on the canopy perspex if you would be so kind. I can almost live without being able to see out of the heavily crazed perspex, but not windscreen glass. Ta Have you ever sat in a real fighter aircraft? Around a light spot (sun for example) you can see the structure of the "glass". It looks like small scratches or cracks. It looks very similarto what HB (and many others) did. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- System: Windows 10 Pro | i9 9900K | 32GB RAM (3200 MHz) | RTX-2080s | SSD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hardware: TM Warthog | MFG Rudder Pedals | 4x TM Cougar MFD | Saitek Switch Panel | Trackir5 | VR: Rift S / Monitor: 31,5" WQHD, G-Sync Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSauvaaage Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 At least the Harrier's canopy looks pretty much the same if I remember correctly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Davies Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 You're more likely to see scratches dirt than the crazing, although the latter does certainly exist. I also think it should be toned down a little, but it's got to be a very low priority in the grand scheme of things! Steve Davies https://www.10percenttrue.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkiii Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) The windscreen is glass - not "glass" - I do know the difference between glass and acrylic/plexiglass/perspex etc. I think some people are conflating windscreen with canopy. I am being specific here, about the windscreen glass, (although I do think some modules have overdone the effect on both). The tiny normal map that is used by most modules to get this effect is too low res and too heavy - just look at it. :( I use a modified version with about 50% of the scratches removed, and it looks a lot better, but even so - should not be on the glass of the windscreen itself at all IMO, but without access to how the materials are set up - I can only edit the normal map. It is possible to do this subtly - just look at the P-51, the A-10C, the MiG-21, the Mirage and Albatross. 17 years on Military a/c line work / maintenance Schlapperklange, so I have sat in a couple of fighters, and some of them were even facing the sun ;) Some of these were newish (at the time), such as F-16s and Jaguar, Tornado, Alpha-Jet, and some pretty old, Lightning, F-104, F-5, F-4f - FGR-2, Mirage V, Buccaneer, Hunter. The only ones that ever looked this bad were in a scrapyard. Dirty and possibly scratched perhaps, but never like this, and not the glass portions. Anyhoo - take it or leave it - it's just an opinion. Edited March 22, 2019 by mkiii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyTail Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I don't know. Looks pretty damn accurate to me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustBelt Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Personally I really hate when Simulators try to "Immersion up" with crap like this. In the real plane you look THROUGH this stuff not AT it. Everything isn't presented to you on a single 2D plain. It's just like the stupid Lens Flare effect I have to turn off on every game since 1993. I don't know what crazy robot eyes y'all got, but mine don't have J.J. Abrams style lens flare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blinde Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I use a modified version with about 50% of the scratches removed, and it looks a lot better, but even so - should not be on the glass of the windscreen itself at all IMO, but without access to how the materials are set up - I can only edit the normal map. Modified for Tomcat? Can you share it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jowen G. Bruère-Dawson Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Hmm... As I work on Mirage 2000 and do regularly resurfacing on windshield and canopy, I have the feeling that the Heatblur representation is pretty realistic. Crazing ? you and me havn't the same definition of crazing. I'm not saying I'm right however. For us, crazing are cracks that are really apparent, and implies a reject of the canopy or the windscreen. I never saw crazing somewhere else than directly after the defog ramps. Occurs when pilot put the ''DESEMB'' (Defog) switch on for more than 1 minute since it's very hot air directly from the engine that hit the canopy and the windscreen. I'm not bothered with what i saw in the HB F-14. But I may need to take a closer look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkiii Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) Jowen: Mirage200 does not have a flat glass windscreen panel. Just curiou to know is the curved windscreen actually made from glass then? I am specifically talking about the glass - not any form of plastic compound. The Mirage V, did have a flat windscreen, & I don't recall that glass being crazed, scratched or gouged. Crazing is sort of an irrelevant term as far as this sim goes - because it doesn't really represent either. There is only one effect, so it doesn't matter what you call it. In any case - the M2000 canopy/screen looks fine in game. Nothing like this. Blinde: I did it for the Spitfire ages ago - since it's the same file in all modules afaik - just renamed, I'm assuming it can be reused, it's just a bit less scratchy than the original. Try this: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AlvGQxoyD0PcwQjJtHYQSMC1rYcT EDIT: Hold on one: that is a dds - but my F14 uses *.bmp. Here is the correct file type: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AlvGQxoyD0PcwQmZeVGif2tiD8Xs If you want a much more toned down version - but still showing crackles/scratches - use this one (You will have to rename it to remove the (2) from the filename). https://1drv.ms/u/s!AlvGQxoyD0PcwQrNLQRE4VKJeaBA Both files are at the same resolution as the original ED texture. Edited March 22, 2019 by mkiii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blinde Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 EDIT: Hold on one: this is a dds - but my F14 uses a .bmp version. Here is a bmp: the .dds file can be renamed for other a/c that use that format: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AlvGQxoyD0PcwQmZeVGif2tiD8Xs Thanks, it works. And looks better :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jowen G. Bruère-Dawson Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 mkiii : oh ok, missed that detail. Yes the 2000 windscreen is not made with glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkiii Posted March 23, 2019 Author Share Posted March 23, 2019 Blinde/Jowen. NP. Just so I'm clear... I really DO like the F14 and the Viggen modules - they are both very immersive - as I like to put it - the only thing missing is the "fart" smell in the cockpit, but that doesn't mean small things can't be improved upon. I do understand that this scratch/crazing thing seems to be an ED thing... that needs updating imho. Dawson - Is the M2000 good to work on? I always thought the MV was a nice A/C - Did line servicing (Nato XServ) in Germany in the late 80's - on Belgian Mirages, My favourite was always the F16 though - nice & easy - no chute to fit - just the slight issue with the Hydrazine power-pack ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandMan23 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Seems like a personal preference thing to me. I have no issues with the current look, and as you have stated, you have mod that now makes it work for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkiii Posted March 23, 2019 Author Share Posted March 23, 2019 Seems to me that some people must be seeing something completely different to me. Perhaps some GFX setting is making what I see worse, screen resolution, Antialiasing, my fov setting? If you think that looks correct - then good luck with that. I for one feel that it would not be a major effort to look at the way the material settings and bitmaps are being applied. This isn't necessarily just a Heatblur thing, but It's been used on modules since the Mustang was released - and is much subtler on that module for example. - just compare the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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