Santi871 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Is it intended behavior that the L&S has no track extrapolation at all? It doesn't even move across the radar when ownship is turning as regular bricks do, which seems a bit nonsensical. Wags, could you confirm whether this is WIP or intended? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will- Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 WIP Intel i9-9900K 32GB DDR4, RTX 2080tiftw3, Windows 10, 1tb 970 M2, TM Warthog, 4k 144hz HDR g-sync. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYcoo Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 yeah same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madeiner Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 In addition to LTWS being useless in its current state, IFF is now borked again, too. Why even release it in this state? Keep that in a closed beta and don't release things that are so borked. Are we getting a full month of unusable F18 in MP now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_120 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 In addition to LTWS being useless in its current state, IFF is now borked again, too. Why even release it in this state? Keep that in a closed beta and don't release things that are so borked. Are we getting a full month of unusable F18 in MP now?You can always turn it off from the data page and play as the last 3 months. Enviado desde mi SM-G950F mediante Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madeiner Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 You can always turn it off from the data page and play as the last 3 months. Enviado desde mi SM-G950F mediante Tapatalk Yes, but we FINALLY had a working IFF last week and now they took it away... to have an incomplete system in its place, which can't show friendlies and enemies easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oceandar Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Which part of IFF is borked ? Its fine as I was trying it after update. I think its better than before. Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself is true power. - Lao Tze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santi871 Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 In addition to LTWS being useless in its current state, IFF is now borked again, too. Why even release it in this state? Keep that in a closed beta and don't release things that are so borked. Are we getting a full month of unusable F18 in MP now? IFF is working as intended, nothing broken about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel_108 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 IFF works on my end as well. The RWS bricks are getting interrogated automatically on the radar page as soon as I put the cursor over them, I can interrogate fighters in ACM modes as well, I can interrogate contacts on the SA page, it’s honesty much more intuitive than before - and we don’t even have MSI yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oceandar Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 IFF works on my end as well. The RWS bricks are getting interrogated automatically on the radar page as soon as I put the cursor over them, I can interrogate fighters in ACM modes as well, I can interrogate contacts on the SA page, it’s honesty much more intuitive than before - and we don’t even have MSI yet.Couldnt agree more. Thank you for putting better explanations. Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself is true power. - Lao Tze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehksauce Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Yes, but we FINALLY had a working IFF last week and now they took it away... to have an incomplete system in its place, which can't show friendlies and enemies easily might be a stupid question but have u turned on NCTR ? IFF is working flawlessly on my end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madeiner Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) might be a stupid question but have u turned on NCTR ? IFF is working flawlessly on my end Yes, everything is turned on. I just died to an F14 that was hot on me. I had him locked for like 15 miles. Pressed the IFF button like ten times, with no change in information displayed. SA page showed yellow contact. Hud showed a box. I held fire until i was at 3nm, dead on, still box, still pressing IFF with target locked and unlocked. No joy. There just was a friendly fire incident on the server so i didn't want to risk yet another one. Guess what? Of course he was an enemy and wasn't IDd. We are back 3 months in a single update. Edited March 28, 2019 by madeiner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) Yes, everything is turned on. I just died to an F14 that was hot on me. I had him locked for like 15 miles. Pressed the IFF button like ten times, with no change in information displayed. SA page showed yellow contact. Hud showed a box. I held fire until i was at 3nm, dead on, still box, still pressing IFF with target locked and unlocked. No joy. There just was a friendly fire incident on the server so i didn't want to risk yet another one. Guess what? Of course he was an enemy and wasn't IDd. We are back 3 months in a single update. Perhaps it’s your process that’s bugged and not the software’s? The odds don’t seem to be in your favor here. In this thread alone there are 5 posters saying it works fine and you are the only one reporting that it’s broken. Edited March 28, 2019 by Rainmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madeiner Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Perhaps it’s your process that’s bugged and not the software’s? The odds don’t seem to be in your favor here. In this thread alone there are 5 posters saying it works fine and you are the only one reporting that it’s broken. Honestly, those who say IFF is working just don't understand the issue. I'm not saying there is a bug here and i understand what's happening. IFF needs two sources now identify as hostile, and clearly i was only presenting one source, because NCTR wasn't IDing the target for some reason (that's fine, and it's how NCTR works) and the bogey was of course not responding to IFF request since he was not friendly. So there was one source of "enemy id" only and that is not enough for an enemy HAFU. I get it. What i DON'T get, is, why make this change now when the "friendly" TD box is not yet ready? Now i have no way to know, by looking at the hud, if enemy was indeed "ambigous" or "friendly". I have to look down in a cluttered SA page, with not easy way to zoom in in order to see things that are close by. I have no feedback that the IFF is even working. The model visibility sucks, as we all know, so i can't visual ID. Why not implement two factor IFF when the rest of the system is ready, so that we can play in peace while it's not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) Honestly, those who say IFF is working just don't understand the issue. I'm not saying there is a bug here and i understand what's happening. IFF needs two sources now identify as hostile, and clearly i was only presenting one source, because NCTR wasn't IDing the target for some reason (that's fine, and it's how NCTR works) and the bogey was of course not responding to IFF request since he was not friendly. So there was one source of "enemy id" only and that is not enough for an enemy HAFU. I get it. What i DON'T get, is, why make this change now when the "friendly" TD box is not yet ready? Now i have no way to know, by looking at the hud, if enemy was indeed "ambigous" or "friendly". I have to look down in a cluttered SA page, with not easy way to zoom in in order to see things that are close by. I have no feedback that the IFF is even working. The model visibility sucks, as we all know, so i can't visual ID. Why not implement two factor IFF when the rest of the system is ready, so that we can play in peace while it's not? I guess I’m missing your gripe here exactly, how is that broken, or a step backwards 3 months? We’ve never had a “friendly” desination outside of the all-knowing IFF which if you look around the forums, was not without it’s own issues and attributed to a lot of blue on blue due to it’s simplicity and lack of cues. You have a lot more now in terms of ID than you ever have, and without all the bugs that were there before...so how’s that going backwards exactly?!? Could have left it how it was where everyone was a hostile diamond until interrogated friendly, that sure worked out well on MP servers by the looks of things. Edited March 28, 2019 by Rainmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santi871 Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 Honestly, those who say IFF is working just don't understand the issue. I'm not saying there is a bug here and i understand what's happening. IFF needs two sources now identify as hostile, and clearly i was only presenting one source, because NCTR wasn't IDing the target for some reason (that's fine, and it's how NCTR works) and the bogey was of course not responding to IFF request since he was not friendly. So there was one source of "enemy id" only and that is not enough for an enemy HAFU. I get it. What i DON'T get, is, why make this change now when the "friendly" TD box is not yet ready? Now i have no way to know, by looking at the hud, if enemy was indeed "ambigous" or "friendly". I have to look down in a cluttered SA page, with not easy way to zoom in in order to see things that are close by. I have no feedback that the IFF is even working. The model visibility sucks, as we all know, so i can't visual ID. Why not implement two factor IFF when the rest of the system is ready, so that we can play in peace while it's not? You hijacked my thread to complain about how you have to look down to see if it's a friendly? Why don't you make your own thread about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel_108 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I gather we won’t get an official answer about this but If I had to guess, I’d say that there is no way Boeing didn’t implement some sort of extrapolation for LTWS. I cannot think of any technical hurdle that would have prevented this from ever being implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehksauce Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) Yes, everything is turned on. I just died to an F14 that was hot on me. I had him locked for like 15 miles. Pressed the IFF button like ten times, with no change in information displayed. SA page showed yellow contact. Hud showed a box. I held fire until i was at 3nm, dead on, still box, still pressing IFF with target locked and unlocked. No joy. There just was a friendly fire incident on the server so i didn't want to risk yet another one. Guess what? Of course he was an enemy and wasn't IDd. We are back 3 months in a single update. quick update, a community member cleared this up, maybe this will help.. " if you IFF and it doesn't turn green, you can assume it's an enemy it'll only show a diamond if you get more than one source saying it's enemy " i remember wags talking about this aswell in his datalink video Edited March 29, 2019 by mehksauce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backspace340 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 What i DON'T get, is, why make this change now when the "friendly" TD box is not yet ready? Now i have no way to know, by looking at the hud, if enemy was indeed "ambigous" or "friendly". I have to look down in a cluttered SA page, with not easy way to zoom in in order to see things that are close by. I have no feedback that the IFF is even working. The model visibility sucks, as we all know, so i can't visual ID. Why not implement two factor IFF when the rest of the system is ready, so that we can play in peace while it's not? They changed it because it was incorrect before. Square means unknown, it doesn't mean friendly. Diamond means hostile. It had another issue before where if someone had their IFF off, then EVERYTHING was showing up as hostile (rather than unknown) - hence the change. What would make life a lot easier would be if they add the friendly HUD symbology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madeiner Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 You hijacked my thread to complain about how you have to look down to see if it's a friendly? Why don't you make your own thread about that? Yeah, sorry about that. I was mad at this, and i just discovered how LTWS didn't work well, and i kinda lost it. Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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