Will LTWS be pointless after TWS is out?

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

1 Yes, it's the HAFU being a triangle and normally red. 2 No, if you have an F/F or SURV donor already saying it's hostile. 3 You need NCTR enabled on the RDR ATTK format and you need to be nose on nose or nose on tail about 30 degrees; the radar needs to be able to get a good look at the engine fanblades

 

Thanks for the replies. Just to clarify:

 

1,2. If the HAFU symbol is yellow and has a "table" on the top half but a "V" on the bottom half, it is already a hostile. Why do we need to further interrogate and depress SSS over it to turn it red? Is that necessary? See video -

 

3. I did have NCTR on and the Su27 was facing me and very close. But still no name ID on SA page bottom right.

 

Thanks!

[Jak525]

Thanks for the replies. Just to clarify:

 

1,2. If the HAFU symbol is yellow and has a "table" on the top half but a "V" on the bottom half, it is already a hostile. Why do we need to further interrogate and depress SSS over it to turn it red? Is that necessary? See video -

 

3. I did have NCTR on and the Su27 was facing me and very close. But still no name ID on SA page bottom right.

 

Thanks!

The bottom is a what a donor sees it as. The top is what your aircraft designates it as and what the color is from. It's not "necessary" - the HAFUs are for pilot situational awareness, they don't tell the plane what to do or anything.

 

That's interesting. With NCTR checked and you being in an STT lock it should work.

Edited April 5, 2019 by Jak525

[Ramsay]

Thanks for the replies. Just to clarify:

 

1,2. If the HAFU symbol is yellow and has a "table" on the top half but a "V" on the bottom half, it is already a hostile.

It has been identified by a third party (AWACS or other aircraft) as hostile.

Why do we need to further interrogate and depress SSS over it to turn it red?

You still need to confirm the target is a hostile before opening fire i.e. via IFF, NCTR or visually

 

Is that necessary? See video -

ATM DCS's ROE are hard coded, you don't *need* to follow them but if you don't, you'll have the 'unknown' square, rather than 'hostile' diamond in the HUD to remind you.

 

3. I did have NCTR on and the Su27 was facing me and very close. But still no name ID on SA page bottom right.

IIRC NCTR requires a STT lock, if you visually ID the hostile, you don't need IFF.

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

IIRC NCTR requires a STT lock, if you visually ID the hostile, you don't need IFF.

 

I did have it STT locked with NCTR and the Su27 was in front of me already but still no ID name in SA page. Not sure why it didn't work.

[Jak525]

I did have it STT locked with NCTR and the Su27 was in front of me already but still no ID name in SA page. Not sure why it didn't work.

 

You did cursor over the target on the SA page right? You won't show any info without that. But if it did show as unknown then your NCTR just didn't work. Might've just been the angle or something. Test it again.

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

You did cursor over the target on the SA page right? You won't show any info without that. But if it did show as unknown then your NCTR just didn't work. Might've just been the angle or something. Test it again.

 

 

Yes cursor was over target on SA. Will try again. Probably an angle issue.

[QuiGon]

Yes, DCS handles this correctly. When interrogating on the SA page, you can only interrogate tracks with the top-half of the HAFU showing, meaning tracks that are detected by your own radar.

Alright then, thanks! :thumbup:

[Rainmaker]

I did have it STT locked with NCTR and the Su27 was in front of me already but still no ID name in SA page. Not sure why it didn't work.

 

Pretty sure this is already reported in the bug forum as being an issue...track hostile with no print ID on SA page.

[Banzaiib]

LTWS has a much larger scan volume... so not useless.

[Khamul]

quick question, please: on the RDR page with LWTS if I lock with TDC multiple tgts how do I clean/undesignate them in case? If I press the undesignate button nothing happened and the tgts keep locked.

[Ramsay]

quick question, please: on the RDR page with LWTS if I lock with TDC multiple tgts how do I clean/undesignate them in case? If I press the undesignate button nothing happened and the tgts keep locked.

 

The Attack Radar MFD reset button (PB14), resets L&S and DT2 designations.

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

quick question, please: on the RDR page with LWTS if I lock with TDC multiple tgts how do I clean/undesignate them in case? If I press the undesignate button nothing happened and the tgts keep locked.

 

I believe Sensor Control has to be on Radar page and you hold down Undesignate for about a sec?

 

Update/Correction: On the Radar page, It seems undesignate only unlocks completely an STT that was obtained by AACQ. In the case of an STT obtained by two TDC depresses, it only removes the STT but there is still the soft lock that cannot be removed except by Reset button (PB14).

Edited April 6, 2019 by GrEaSeLiTeNiN

[Khamul]

I believe Sensor Control has to be on Radar page and you hold down Undesignate for about a sec?

 

Update/Correction: On the Radar page, It seems undesignate only unlocks completely an STT that was obtained by AACQ. In the case of an STT obtained by two TDC depresses, it only removes the STT but there is still the soft lock that cannot be removed except by Reset button (PB14).

 

Great, thanks! I'll give it a try

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

Why is the HAFU tail pointing down in the SA page but pointing up in the Radar page?

 

Edited April 6, 2019 by GrEaSeLiTeNiN

[Fisherman82]

Is LTWS on needed to display contacts from donors on the SA page? I would think it should not but I dont seem to get them with it off. I would like to use LTWS off until I learn the basics of the radar better but still have AWACS give me the big picture on the SA page to give me better situational awareness

 

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[QuiGon]

Is LTWS on needed to display contacts from donors on the SA page? I would think it should not but I dont seem to get them with it off. I would like to use LTWS off until I learn the basics of the radar better but still have AWACS give me the big picture on the SA page to give me better situational awareness

 

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It's not needed and D/L works fine without LTWS for me.

[blkspade]

Thanks for the replies. Just to clarify:

 

1,2. If the HAFU symbol is yellow and has a "table" on the top half but a "V" on the bottom half, it is already a hostile. Why do we need to further interrogate and depress SSS over it to turn it red? Is that necessary? See video -

 

The key reason you should absolutely be interrogating still, is that the DL has a delay, and the radar isn't absolutely precise about the contact you lock up. If for some reason you have a friendly merged with that contact that isn't on the DL network, and possibly in a blind spot of donors/AWACS, you could end up firing on said friendly. I have had the F-18 radar jump from a know hostile to friendly that crossed the LOS that I only knew was even there due to being on comms.

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

The key reason you should absolutely be interrogating still, is that the DL has a delay, and the radar isn't absolutely precise about the contact you lock up. If for some reason you have a friendly merged with that contact that isn't on the DL network, and possibly in a blind spot of donors/AWACS, you could end up firing on said friendly. I have had the F-18 radar jump from a know hostile to friendly that crossed the LOS that I only knew was even there due to being on comms.

 

 

 

I see thanks