FlankerMan Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 (edited) Here is a list of the maximum range of many SAM types in DCS. 48N6-133km; Pyotr Velikiy. SM-2-108km; Oliver Hazzard Perry Class, Ticonderoga Class. HHQ-9-105km; Type 052C Destroyer. MIM-104-98km; Patriot. 5V55-78km; SA-10, Moskva, Pyotr Velikiy. HQ-16-54km; Type 054A Frigate. SA2V755-43km; SA-2. 9M317-40km; Type 052B Destroyer. 9M38M1-37km; SA-11. Edited October 1, 2019 by FlankerMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlankerMan Posted April 12, 2019 Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 Has this been a help to anyone? Comments, confirmations, and contradictions are welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Jockey Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Here is a list of the maximum ranges of the long range SAMs in DCS. I'm currently doing tests, and there will be updates as I gather data. All launches are hits. 48N6-133km; Pyotr Velikiy. HHQ-9-99km; Type 052C Destroyer. SM-2-87km; Oliver Hazzard Perry Class, Ticonderoga Class. MIM-104-74km; Patriot. 5V55-71km; SA-10, Moskva, Pyotr Velikiy. HQ-16-54km; Type 054A Frigate. 9M38M1-37km; SA-11. 9M317-29km for hit, but can launch at 43km; Type 052B Destroyer. At the least for the bold one, it seems right to me. As like mentioned at other thread, that was the maximum range at which the Pyotr Velikiy's SAMs engaged me. (Although it was measured on screen with measuring tape. :lol:) F-14B flying straight to SAM (naval), at 44.000 ft altitude. 73 nm ~ 135 km Hangar FC3 | F-14A/B | F-16C | F/A-18C | MiG-21bis | Mirage 2000C ... ... JA 37 | Kfir | MiG-23 | Mirage IIIE Mi-8 MTV2 system i7-4790 K , 16 GB DDR3 , GTX 1660 Ti 6GB , Samsung 860 QVO 1TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlankerMan Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 Yeah, I used the measuring tape, and F-15C at 15,000 meters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlankerMan Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 I did some tests and updated the MIM-104 and 5V55 ranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistking Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 you do realize that sam ranges in dcs are dependent on ai skill setting? My personal wishlist after half a decade with DCS: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/184968-my-personal-wishlist-after-half-a-decade-with-dcs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlankerMan Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 No, I didn't, and I've always used high. Are they really? What changes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistking Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 No, I didn't, and I've always used high. Are they really? What changes? i think max ranges increases with skill. so the higher the skill, the greater the distance they engage at. it's not a huge difference, but if you compare lowest to highest skill, it should be obvious. My personal wishlist after half a decade with DCS: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/184968-my-personal-wishlist-after-half-a-decade-with-dcs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holbeach Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 The Pyotr Velikiy, uses the SA-N-6 Grumble, not the SA-10. .. I7 2600K @ 3.8, CoolerMaster 212X, EVGA GTX 1070 8gb. RAM 16gb Corsair, 1kw PSU. 2 x WD SSD. 1 x Samsung M2 NVMe. 3 x HDD. Saitek X-52. Saitek Pro Flight pedals. CH Flight Sim yoke. TrackIR 5. Win 10 Pro. IIyama 1080p. MSAA x 2, SSAA x 1.5. Settings High. Harrier/Spitfire/Beaufighter/The Channel, fanboy.. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squid_DK Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 The Pyotr Velikiy, uses the SA-N-6 Grumble, not the SA-10. .. And SA-N-6 Grumble is the NATO codename for... Fort M F using the 5V55 missile, the F i Fort M F Basically designates flota or fleet version of the missile http://www.ipms.dk i7 9700K, Asus Z390 Prime A, Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti STRIX ROG, Fractal Design Define R6, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, MFG Crosswind, Oculus Rift S. 32 GB 3200 MHz RAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holbeach Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) Yes it is. It's just a case of getting the codename correct against the particular ships in game. More importantly, the SA-N-6 on the PV, will detect and shoot down Harpoon. The SA-10 on the Moskva, will do neither. .. Edited September 23, 2019 by Holbeach I7 2600K @ 3.8, CoolerMaster 212X, EVGA GTX 1070 8gb. RAM 16gb Corsair, 1kw PSU. 2 x WD SSD. 1 x Samsung M2 NVMe. 3 x HDD. Saitek X-52. Saitek Pro Flight pedals. CH Flight Sim yoke. TrackIR 5. Win 10 Pro. IIyama 1080p. MSAA x 2, SSAA x 1.5. Settings High. Harrier/Spitfire/Beaufighter/The Channel, fanboy.. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 What is your speed and altitude and relative bearing to the SAMs? I think those should matter. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlankerMan Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 I tried F-16C VS SA-10 in the same situations as usual, with all units (ground and air) at excellent skill level, but I still just got the 75km I got with high for aircraft, average for vehicles. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holbeach Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) I tried F-16C VS SA-10 in the same situations as usual, with all units (ground and air) at excellent skill level, but I still just got the 75km I got with high for aircraft, average for vehicles. Am I missing something? AFAIK, skill level, relates to reload time. Are you looking for, max SAM range in a single situation, or max launch range, which will have a huge number of variable, e.g.a SM-2 will launch at a much greater range for a 2000 kt target at 80000', than a 458 kt target at 48'. (Anti ship missiles). Aircraft, different again. .. Edited September 24, 2019 by Holbeach I7 2600K @ 3.8, CoolerMaster 212X, EVGA GTX 1070 8gb. RAM 16gb Corsair, 1kw PSU. 2 x WD SSD. 1 x Samsung M2 NVMe. 3 x HDD. Saitek X-52. Saitek Pro Flight pedals. CH Flight Sim yoke. TrackIR 5. Win 10 Pro. IIyama 1080p. MSAA x 2, SSAA x 1.5. Settings High. Harrier/Spitfire/Beaufighter/The Channel, fanboy.. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistking Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 sams do definitely fire earlier (therefor at longer range) on higher skill, but it could be due to faster target acquisition. this does maybe not show with the very long range sams, because if it fires 3 seconds later the range to target will be relatively similar. with shorter range sams it is more obvious! ps: at least that was how it worked since now. maybe there were changes in the last few patches, but there was nothing in the patchnotes... My personal wishlist after half a decade with DCS: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/184968-my-personal-wishlist-after-half-a-decade-with-dcs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holbeach Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 sams do definitely fire earlier (therefor at longer range) on higher skill, . I find that skill makes no difference to firing ranges. Altitude, on the other hand, does make a big difference. .. I7 2600K @ 3.8, CoolerMaster 212X, EVGA GTX 1070 8gb. RAM 16gb Corsair, 1kw PSU. 2 x WD SSD. 1 x Samsung M2 NVMe. 3 x HDD. Saitek X-52. Saitek Pro Flight pedals. CH Flight Sim yoke. TrackIR 5. Win 10 Pro. IIyama 1080p. MSAA x 2, SSAA x 1.5. Settings High. Harrier/Spitfire/Beaufighter/The Channel, fanboy.. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madfish Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) I find that skill makes no difference to firing ranges. Altitude, on the other hand, does make a big difference. .. And how did you find that? Maybe it's SAM specific? Right side = Excellent Left side = Average Last missile lost energy and self detonated Edited September 24, 2019 by Madfish Best regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holbeach Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 And how did you find that? Maybe it's SAM specific? Right side = Excellent Left side = Average Last missile lost energy and self detonated By flying at target ships (Grumble), repeatedly, at different settings and altitudes. Also ECM pods make a big difference, to detection ranges. .. I7 2600K @ 3.8, CoolerMaster 212X, EVGA GTX 1070 8gb. RAM 16gb Corsair, 1kw PSU. 2 x WD SSD. 1 x Samsung M2 NVMe. 3 x HDD. Saitek X-52. Saitek Pro Flight pedals. CH Flight Sim yoke. TrackIR 5. Win 10 Pro. IIyama 1080p. MSAA x 2, SSAA x 1.5. Settings High. Harrier/Spitfire/Beaufighter/The Channel, fanboy.. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madfish Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Could you also upload something so we can compare? (I'm on latest open beta) Best regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Also ECM pods make a big difference, to detection ranges. .. Can you expand on that point? I was under the impression ECM didn't help that much with the double digit sams. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holbeach Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) Could you also upload something so we can compare? (I'm on latest open beta) All I can do is give an example. (Stable). Harrier. Moskva, SA-10B Grumble. Waypoint launch distances. 41300' Av/Ex, 40.3 nm. (Note P.V. SA-N6 Grumble, 69 nm. ECM had no effect. (If you forget to load a pod)) Interestingly, When attacking the P. V. from a longer range, (100 nm), it detected and fired the shorter range, SA-10B Grumble at 40 nm. I've never seen this before and it shouldn't have it. 26000' Av/Ex 35.3 nm. (ECM 28.0 nm). 6000' Av/Ex 29.0 nm. (ECM 23.0 nm). Therefore, Average and Excellent skill are identical. (ECM on, in brackets). 50'................No launch. Su 34, distances were slightly longer, about 2 nm. OP is looking for max distance. I'm only looking for differences in experience (none). .. Edited September 26, 2019 by Holbeach I7 2600K @ 3.8, CoolerMaster 212X, EVGA GTX 1070 8gb. RAM 16gb Corsair, 1kw PSU. 2 x WD SSD. 1 x Samsung M2 NVMe. 3 x HDD. Saitek X-52. Saitek Pro Flight pedals. CH Flight Sim yoke. TrackIR 5. Win 10 Pro. IIyama 1080p. MSAA x 2, SSAA x 1.5. Settings High. Harrier/Spitfire/Beaufighter/The Channel, fanboy.. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlankerMan Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 Proof Here's some evidence on the launch ranges of the SAMs in question.5V55 73km Launch.trk5V55 75km Launch.trk48N6 127km Launch.trkHHQ-9 105km Launch.trkPatriot 106km Launch.trkSM-2 90km Launch.trk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlankerMan Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 Shouldn't the 9M317 have a longer range than the 9M38M1? It doesn't. Also, why do the SM-2 and the 48N6 seem to have a 'second burn' or 'second stage'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holbeach Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Can you expand on that point? I was under the impression ECM didn't help that much with the double digit sams. You could be right there. I never use it, but with the SA-10B, it has an effect. .. I7 2600K @ 3.8, CoolerMaster 212X, EVGA GTX 1070 8gb. RAM 16gb Corsair, 1kw PSU. 2 x WD SSD. 1 x Samsung M2 NVMe. 3 x HDD. Saitek X-52. Saitek Pro Flight pedals. CH Flight Sim yoke. TrackIR 5. Win 10 Pro. IIyama 1080p. MSAA x 2, SSAA x 1.5. Settings High. Harrier/Spitfire/Beaufighter/The Channel, fanboy.. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 You could be right there. I never use it, but with the SA-10B, it has an effect. .. Well, I take it sometimes with the harrier or other AC and "hope" it works. Which I guess feels like RL pilots would have to hope for since its an ever evolving battle. I've seen claims in DCS both ways that this pod or that pod work, don't work etc. Or even this pod works against single digit sams but not double digit (which makes sense from an IRL perspective). New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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