SnapRoll Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Hi Guys, can somebody explain to me why the Steering Dot does not show proper lead angle? All missiles pull quite some Gs when coming off the rail, especially when the target's flight path is perpendicular. What am I missing? Cheers PC Specs: Win10, 7800X3D, 64GB DDR5CL30@6000Mhz, ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F, MSI RTX 4090 Suprim X, 2x Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, LG OLED42C2, Pico 4 Flight Sim Gear: VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip with WarBRD Base and 6cm extension, VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle, VPC SharKa-50 Collective Grip with Rotor TCS Plus Base, BRD-F1 Rudders(Su-35), 3x8"LCD 1024x768 with TM-MFDs, DIY dashboard with 60 buttons and 8 axis MMJOY2, POV-HAT(no TrackIR) Aircraft: F/A-18C, F-16C, F-14, F-5E, Mig-21bis, Mig-15bis, AH-64D, Mi-24P, Mi-8MTV2, Black Shark 2 & 3, Uh-1H, FC3, SpitfireLFMkIX, P-51D, I-16, Mosquito FB VI, Bf109K-4 Terrains: NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf, Syria, Channel, Sinai Tech: WWII Assets Pack, Supercarrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyTX Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Nothing I think is part of the missile modeling being incorrect. Sent from my GM1915 using Tapatalk I7 3930 4.2GHz ( Hyperthreading Off), GTX1080, 16 GB ddr3 Hotas Warthog Saiteck Combat Pedals HTC Vive, Oculus CV1. GTX 1080 Has its uses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 If the target beams you on their 3/9 lines, then of course the missile will pull alot of G's because that is common sense. Can you post a track? AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banman Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 If the target beams you on their 3/9 lines, then of course the missile will pull alot of G's because that is common sense. Can you post a track? Not if the Steering Dot was centered and the target aircraft does not maneuver. Hence the point of the Steering Dot, to display perfect lead for the target aircraft so the missile comes straight off the rail and fly's dead ahead with perfect lead calculated prior to launch to the target. It may gain altitude to preserve kinetic energy but should not veer left or right. i7-8700K (6 Core, 12MB Cache, 4.6GHz) 32 GB DDR4 XMP @ 2933MHz, GTX 1080Ti w/ 11GB GDDR5X, Windows 10 Pro, 256GB SSD, TM Warthog Stick & Throttle, TM TPR Pedals, TrackIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastRifleRound Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 I believe the steering dot is intercept course for your aircraft, not your missiles. That's how it is in the M2000C as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenzino Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Steering Dot lead angle I believe the steering dot is intercept course for your aircraft, not your missiles. That's how it is in the M2000C as well. But it is indeed directly related to the flashing SHOOT cue... Either something is wrong with it... or there might be a more sophisticated explanation... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk i9-9900K, G.Skill 3200 32GB RAM, AORUS Z390 Pro Wifi, Gigabyte Windforce RTX 2080 Ti, Samsung 960 Pro NVMe 512G + 860 Pro 1T, TM Warthog HOTAS, VKB T-Rudder, Samsung O+ F/A-18C, F-16C, A-10C, UH-1, AV-8B, F-14, JF-17, FC3, SA342 Gazelle, L-39, KA-50, CEII, Supercarrier Preordered. (Almost abandoned: CA - VR support please?) PG, NTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawk2174 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 From my current understanding that dot is the ASC (or whatever its called in the 18 ) outside of missile range centering it will maximize the closer rate. When inside missile range centering the dot will show optimum steering to minimize the english bias command the missile will have to be given, minimizing energy loss to high g corrections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnapRoll Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share Posted June 1, 2019 I wanted to prove the point by doing tests with the F-15 and… I did not expect that. I've set up a mission with a Tu-160 at Mach 2 and my flight path 90degrees to the Tu-160 at the same height. I was basically flying straight with the target on STT lock and waiting until the Steering Dot was centered. This I had to adapt with the F/A-18 a bit since the steering dot is just a tiny bit ahead of the target. All shots were done with the Steering Dot centered and “Shoot” light active. F-15: Steering Dot somewhat ok, but still behind (visible in the AIM-7MH shot) AIM-120C_90deg: corrects to the left and goes straight after the target without lead, looks like it starts leading once pitbull AIM-7MH_90deg: corrects to the right with correct lead to the target. Steering Dot does not show proper lead. F/A-18: The Steering Dot is only a tiny bit ahead of the target. Very visible by the 90deg shot, I was very close to the target by the time the dot was in the center. AIM-120C_45deg: correction to the right, does not have enough lead during flight AIM-7MH_45deg: pulls extreme to the right, does not have enough lead during flight AIM-7MH_90deg: hopeless shot PC Specs: Win10, 7800X3D, 64GB DDR5CL30@6000Mhz, ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F, MSI RTX 4090 Suprim X, 2x Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, LG OLED42C2, Pico 4 Flight Sim Gear: VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip with WarBRD Base and 6cm extension, VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle, VPC SharKa-50 Collective Grip with Rotor TCS Plus Base, BRD-F1 Rudders(Su-35), 3x8"LCD 1024x768 with TM-MFDs, DIY dashboard with 60 buttons and 8 axis MMJOY2, POV-HAT(no TrackIR) Aircraft: F/A-18C, F-16C, F-14, F-5E, Mig-21bis, Mig-15bis, AH-64D, Mi-24P, Mi-8MTV2, Black Shark 2 & 3, Uh-1H, FC3, SpitfireLFMkIX, P-51D, I-16, Mosquito FB VI, Bf109K-4 Terrains: NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf, Syria, Channel, Sinai Tech: WWII Assets Pack, Supercarrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nospin44 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Really good stuff Snaproll. This topic seems to come up every 6 months or so. I really hate seeing a missile pull 10 Gs right off the rail. Nothing ever seems to be done about it unfortunately. Probably plays a role in why 120's arent reliable past 8-9 miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra99 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 "Center the dot before you take the shot" Words to live by. Where are you putting the dot? On the target? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJ Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 You cannot "move" that dot - it is calculated by the computer and should stay in the same position relative to the locked target (if it stays on straight track). The "trick" is to put the dot inside of the range circle - but when the dot is calculted wrong by the computer there is nothing to be done by yourself...wait for ED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1Combat Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I love when there's a meaningful conversation going on and someone blasts in with a response based on the first eleven or so letters of the thread title :) Nvidia RTX3080 (HP Reverb), AMD 3800x Asus Prime X570P, 64GB G-Skill RipJaw 3600 Saitek X-65F and Fanatec Club-Sport Pedals (Using VJoy and Gremlin to remap Throttle and Clutch into a Rudder axis) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJ Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 perhaps I got fooled by Sierras sarcasm :D sorry guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikey Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 i noticed this. Compared to memories of the F-15 dot, the f-18's is way smaller and my eyeball calibration just says nope, it's not pulling any significant lead for a real intercept. It's like <10 degrees, mostly floating around the circle. ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1Combat Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 perhaps I got fooled by Sierras sarcasm :D sorry guys It was Sierra's comment about centering the dot to take the shot :)… We know that. The problem is the dot seems wroing... Nvidia RTX3080 (HP Reverb), AMD 3800x Asus Prime X570P, 64GB G-Skill RipJaw 3600 Saitek X-65F and Fanatec Club-Sport Pedals (Using VJoy and Gremlin to remap Throttle and Clutch into a Rudder axis) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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