Xilon_x Posted June 3, 2019 Posted June 3, 2019 every nation after the second world war builds its first military jets and ends the era of piston engines. my nation italy build aerefer Saggitario 2 aerfer Ariete and plan the lion aerfer on paper. AERFER SAGGITARIO2 AERFER ARIETE AERFER LEONE (SECRET PROJECT) this jet was more powerful than the saber. but then NATO forced us to buy the saber so the AERFER project in ITALY was closed. which is the first American jet? which is the first GERMAN jet? which is the first ENGLAND jet? which is the first RUSSIAN jet? ECC.ECC.
Kang Posted June 3, 2019 Posted June 3, 2019 Looks very Italian. Has a sports car vibe to it. But then I don't get how you get the idea it was more powerful than the Sabre, when it had significantly less thrust than the first Sabre variant despite being built almost ten years later.
Xilon_x Posted June 3, 2019 Author Posted June 3, 2019 Looks very Italian. Has a sports car vibe to it. But then I don't get how you get the idea it was more powerful than the Sabre, when it had significantly less thrust than the first Sabre variant despite being built almost ten years later. AERFER SAGGITARIO 2 FIRST FLY 19 maggio 1956 Motore un turbogetto Rolls-Royce Derwent IX Spinta 17,8 kN (1 815 kgf)[1] Prestazioni Velocità max 1 050 km/h Autonomia 780 km[1] Tangenza 14 000 m[1] NORTH AMERICA F-86 SABRE FIRST FLY 1º ottobre 1947 Motore un turbogetto General Electric J47-GE-7 Spinta 23,8 kN (2 424 kgf, 5 340 lbf) Prestazioni Velocità max 949 km/h (590 mph, 513 kt), al livello del mare yes 10 years of difference power of sabre is 23,8KN but speed of SAGGITARIO 2 is 1050km.
Kang Posted June 3, 2019 Posted June 3, 2019 Well, yes, but that is a little bit more terminal speed, which the contemporary, later F-86 variants matched as well. Plus that was a type that was available in numbers and in fact combat tested at that point, so I guess it wasn't just a case of 'evil NATO forced Italy to buy foreign planes'. I do get behind the fact the Saggitario 2 was beautiful, though. And it's not like Italy hasn't built a few notable jets afterwards either.
Xilon_x Posted June 3, 2019 Author Posted June 3, 2019 Well, yes, but that is a little bit more terminal speed, which the contemporary, later F-86 variants matched as well. Plus that was a type that was available in numbers and in fact combat tested at that point, so I guess it wasn't just a case of 'evil NATO forced Italy to buy foreign planes'. I do get behind the fact the Saggitario 2 was beautiful, though. And it's not like Italy hasn't built a few notable jets afterwards either. F-86 SABER was a great plane for Italy, the born. NATO gave us a great plane, but I'm sorry that these Italian projects went up in smoke
Dehuman Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 which is the first American jet? which is the first GERMAN jet? which is the first ENGLAND jet? which is the first RUSSIAN jet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-59_Airacomet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_178 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Meteor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-9
QuiGon Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) Sweden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_21R Italy's first jet aircraft wasn't the AERFER SAGGITARIO2, but this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caproni_Campini_N.1 Britains first jet was actually this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_E.28/39 Edited June 4, 2019 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
amazingme Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 The first jet ;) Specs: Asus Z97 PRO Gamer, i7 4790K@4.6GHz, 4x8GB Kingston @2400MHz 11-13-14-32, Titan X, Creative X-Fi, 128+2x250GB SSDs, VPC T50 Throttle + G940, MFG Crosswinds, TrackIR 5 w/ pro clip, JetSeat, Win10 Pro 64-bit, Oculus Rift, 27"@1920x1080 Settings:2.1.x - Textures:High Terrain:High Civ.Traffic:Off Water:High VisRan:Low Heatblur:High Shadows:High Res:1920x1080 RoC:1024 MSAA:4x AF:16x HDR:OFF DefS: ON GCI: ON DoF:Off Lens: OFF C/G:390m Trees:1500m R:max Gamma: 1.5
Baco Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 Argentina had the Pulqui and Pulqui II, with head designer Kurt Tank in charge.. and Yes the US also offered Sabres to argentina to stop the development.... They offered 100, we got 28.... Yes of course the capabilities of the Pulqui were bad, and pulqui II was no match for teh Sabre, but the "process" the know how, etc... The aeronautical industry was killed in Argentina. Now Brasil kept its development and now they Have Embraer ;)
Xilon_x Posted June 5, 2019 Author Posted June 5, 2019 here also Argentina was able and I think it still is, to have its own aeronautical industry that produces its own aircraft without buying them from other nations.
Kang Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 They have built things like the infamous Pucara, haven't they? Fair point, but on the other hand, Kurt Tank isn't exactly 'local talent inventing things', is it?
Xilon_x Posted June 5, 2019 Author Posted June 5, 2019 Sweden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_21R Italy's first jet aircraft wasn't the AERFER SAGGITARIO2, but this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caproni_Campini_N.1 Britains first jet was actually this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_E.28/39 the campini caproni was not a turbojet plane but was a thermostick plane. The jet engine, also called the thermostat, is a primitive jet engine in which the compressor is driven by a piston engine (while in a turbojet engine the compressor is operated from the turbine).
QuiGon Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 the campini caproni was not a turbojet plane but was a thermostick plane. The jet engine, also called the thermostat, is a primitive jet engine in which the compressor is driven by a piston engine (while in a turbojet engine the compressor is operated from the turbine). Sure, but it's still a jet, albeit a primitive one. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
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