Latest RE: AMD RX 5700 XT and NVIDIA 2070 Super ?

[reece146]

I'm looking to buy a new video card. I'm currently running a used AMD RX580 in a used i7-3770K system. This was a Hackintosh build that I've overclocked to within an inch of it's life to run DCS, Assetto Corsa, and Projects Cars 2.

 

 

In DCS I'm stuck in the 15-40 FPS range depending on what settings I run and in general the performance is "meh" at best. Frame rate really drops at low altitudes and landing can be a b!tch with the twitchy warbirds as a result.

 

 

I've been back and forth between the two GPUs (RX 5700 XT and 2070 Super) but can't seem to make a decision. Both cards are within striking distance of each other in my local market - price doesn't matter that much.

 

 

How does DCS run with the AMD card? Is it effectively same-same as the NVIDIA card or has DCS been so optimized for NVIDIA over the years that I'm better off going with the 2070S?

 

 

I need to keep some form of AMD video card in the machine to run the CAD software I have on Mac OS (NVIDIA and Apple pissing match over the modern NV cards and drivers - don't ask).

 

 

 

The mobo "should" be able to run both the RX580 and the 2070S if I go that way (but 8x PCIe v3 speeds). OR if I did the RX5700XT I'd only need the one card in the system and could retain 16x but there's really not that much difference between 8x and 16x it seems.

 

 

For cards I'm eye the Sapphire NITRO+ RX 5700XT and the Gigabyte RTX 2070 Super Windforce OC. Both will likely end up overclocked just 'cuz.

 

 

Any insights?

 

 

Thanks!

[David OC]

I just posted about this in the DCS 2020 and Beyond PC Build!

 

You might be able to hold 60 fps @ 1080P on the RX 5700XT (Check with others tho)

 

You need the RTX 2070 Super or better to hold 60 fps @ 1440P with max settings.

 

See that thread and the gaming comparisons at the bottom between RX 5700XT and RTX 2070

[BitMaster]

I just posted about this in the DCS 2020 and Beyond PC Build!

 

You might be able to hold 60 fps @ 1080P on the RX 5700XT (Check with others tho)

 

You need the RTX 2070 Super or better to hold 60 fps @ 1440P with max settings.

 

See that thread and the gaming comparisons at the bottom between RX 5700XT and RTX 2070

 

60fps ???

 

I just tested the 5700XT and it flies :)

 

Free Flight Hornet is well above 100fps with high extreme settings but shadows and no ssaa, msaa2x, 16x ASF etc...

 

This card rocks hard

[David OC]

60fps ???

 

I just tested the 5700XT and it flies :)

 

Free Flight Hornet is well above 100fps with high extreme settings but shadows and no ssaa, msaa2x, 16x ASF etc...

 

This card rocks hard

 

 

When I post 60 fps(Locked), I do mean hold this no matter what's going on..... I play on a server with 1000s of units, some player controlled, that's the real test to check any system.

 

 

Good to know bit. Is that on your 1440P screen?

 

Just going off this post to get some idea for DCS. GTX 1080 Ti vs. RTX 2070 Super vs. 5700 XT: 39 Game Benchmark

 

 

These cards seem to be all fairly close then and can hold 60 fps @ 1440P generally.

 

 

Same discussions going on in many threads lol. We need to consolidate and sticky a thread.

Edited January 19, 2020 by David OC

[BitMaster]

no, that was 1080p but later today we will push it with my screen as we ran into an odd problem.

 

His MSI Optix G24C display only runs FreeSync via the HDMI cable, at 120fps, with DP cable we get 144Hz but no FreeSync support.

 

We will cross check the cables and monitors. Mine is 144Hz via DP ( only have DP ).

 

I can connect my old Logitech Joystick and fly a bit on VA server, maybe that holds as MP ;)

 

our FreeFlight was keyboard flight..LOL

 

Time is limited, that's the only hurdle..LoL

[chrisgrind]

I've got ryzen 5 3600 with 5700xt.

 

I haven't done any large multiplayer, but at 1920x1200 I don't go below 90fps that I have a seen.

 

when I ran three screens 5760x1200 I got 50-60fps when not much was doing and as low as 25fps or so when more things were happening.

 

Both with high settings then bumping view distance up further.

 

When I go to medium settings, with 3 screens from memory, I was still above 60fps all the time.

Edited January 20, 2020 by chrisgrind

[Oceandar]

I had bad experience with AMD driver in old DCS version. The FPS was way worst compared with NVIDIA. I'm now tempted to buy the 5700 XT because the price is like USD 100 cheaper compared to 2070 super.

 

Is it still the case ?

Because after watching some benchmarks I could see some games better with AMD and some don't.

[SkateZilla]

Wait for the 5800/5900 Cards, they will drive prices down as they will compete with the 2080's

[chrisgrind]

I had bad experience with AMD driver in old DCS version. The FPS was way worst compared with NVIDIA. I'm now tempted to buy the 5700 XT because the price is like USD 100 cheaper compared to 2070 super.

 

Is it still the case ?

Because after watching some benchmarks I could see some games better with AMD and some don't.

 

I've had zero issues. A mate has had one for ages without issues (though he doesn't use DCS)

Edited January 20, 2020 by chrisgrind

[VirusAM]

Wait for the 5800/5900 Cards, they will drive prices down as they will compete with the 2080's

 

 

 

Well i hope it will be worth to upgrade from my 1080ti then...any rumors on ETAs and benchmarks?

[Oceandar]

I've had zero issues. A mate has had one for ages without issues (though he doesn't use DCS)

Good to hear. Thanks. But tbh I want to see FPS comparison between the two. Which one is better for DCS.

Well i hope it will be worth to upgrade from my 1080ti then...any rumors on ETAs and benchmarks?

+1 on this

[chrisgrind]

Good to hear. Thanks. But tbh I want to see FPS comparison between the two. Which one is better for DCS.+1 on this

 

 

 

Not sure how it works, but if you can save a track and then I can run it. I’m happy to report back.

[Oceandar]

Not sure how it works, but if you can save a track and then I can run it. I’m happy to report back.

Thanks for the offer. I may PM you later.

[DeltaMike]

Wait for the 5800/5900 Cards, they will drive prices down as they will compete with the 2080's

 

I see Radeon VII is already coming down. Still think that card might have a little sumpin extra for DCS, it just needs to get a liiiiiiiitle lower

[BitMaster]

If the 5800XT drops to 350 it will be a real bargain.

[DeltaMike]

Bitmaster -- do you think Vulcan (if/when we get there) will favor amd gpus?

[Pilotasso]

not going to bother with anything below 50% FPS increase over my 1080Ti. It was too expensive to replace it lightly minded and still performs like a champ.

[BitMaster]

Bitmaster -- do you think Vulcan (if/when we get there) will favor amd gpus?

 

I simply have no idea what will happen once we get there.

 

My hope is that it will run on any modern GPU and that it will support mGPU so we can add cards rather than exchange cards.

 

Pilotasso, 100% right. I am not willing to replace a 1k€ card for some extra FPS if I lock it at 60 fps anyway. Either it boosts me to 144Hz or I pass. I am not playing the Nvidia game anymore.

[Bob_Bushman]

It would also be more suprising if Nvidia doesn't release 3080-3080ti in just a few months around GDC.

[Gnadentod]

The Nitro+ 5700XT is more like a 2080FE than a 2070 Super, it's a 1080 Ti with 8GB instead of 11GB VRAM. I have Nitro+ 5700XT for HP Reverb, 115% SteamVR SS, mid settings in DCS and motionvector reprojection.

[D3vastator]

hey, can I ask if you have a blue line at the bottom and the sides ? I am having a problem with my Reverb, I thought it was the 5700xt not supported correct in windows reality and steam VR,

 

are you having the problem I am ?

 

 

The Nitro+ 5700XT is more like a 2080FE than a 2070 Super, it's a 1080 Ti with 8GB instead of 11GB VRAM. I have Nitro+ 5700XT for HP Reverb, 115% SteamVR SS, mid settings in DCS and motionvector reprojection.

[Gnadentod]

are you having the problem I am ?

Plug in the USB of the Reverb first time. Let WMR start, then close it and start it again. Should be gone.

 

If not, plug it in once, let WMR start. Then close WMR, pull out the USB cable before WMR starts again automatically, wait for a few secs and plug the USB cable back in. Now, the blue edges are gone.

Edited January 29, 2020 by Der Hirte

[schaefsky]

Plug in the USB of the Reverb first time. Let WMR start, then close it and start it again. Should be gone.

 

If not, plug it in once, let WMR start. Then close WMR, pull out the USB cable before WMR starts again automatically, wait for a few secs and plug the USB cable back in. Now, the blue edges are gone.

 

Hi, I have the problem with blue borders with Reverb and 5700 xt. Tried your method with unplugging and replugging the USB, but it doesn’t work.

I can only get rid of the blue border if I change the resolution in WMR to upscaling, but that makes the image look worse.

 

What driver are you using? I am on 19.11.1, newer ones give lots of black screen of death or WMR image is corrupted.

[Gnadentod]

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I'm using the 19.12.2 Adrenalin 2020 version from mid december.

 

I have new info, you don't even need to unplug the headset. Plug it in, let WMR start. Then close WMR and start it a second time. Then the blue borders are gone for me, they are now black.