Coop mission-building scearios?

[Flyby]

With the Black Shark being the only flyable in the initial release, I hope the mission builders among us (i'll try to build a few too) are thinking of some interesting situations/missions for us. Personally, there's nothing like a desperate situation to make one feel more alive after surviving a tough mission. Given the one-flyable situation, I hope the opfor AI will be Hell-on-wide-wheels to deal with. I hope opfor manpad teams are placable in the misison builder, but I wouldn't sprinkle them about like rain drops. Also nothing like a few surprises for my side while flying to the feba. And can we place farps along inbound and outbound waypoints? A long flight might be boring, but running out of fuel might increase the pucker factor if the weather is bad, and the Black Shark is heavy with ordinance. Oh, how is the weather to be implemented? Will rain defeat a laser lock?

My point is tough missions may be a requirement for online play to extend the interest in BS until add-on a/c are made available. Not to mention offline play too. So the tougher we can make them, the better, imho.

Flyby out

[Highwayman-Ed]

I've thought about this, and even started making some, but given that the new ME may be far superior and have a greater veriety of options that would make any of the missions made prior to it stale and boring in comparison I've shelved them...

[Flyby]

there is hope!

 

I've thought about this, and even started making some, but given that the new ME may be far superior and have a greater veriety of options that would make any of the missions made prior to it stale and boring in comparison I've shelved them...

 

S! Highwayman,

At least you're thinking about missions. Shelved mission can be reborn, so don't toss them. Build on them when the new ME is out. I'll look forward to your efforts, and hope to see you online.;)

Flyby out

[Highwayman-Ed]

Try out my old hog mission pack whilst you're waiting ;)

 

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[Groove]

Im sure the mission builders will love BS.

 

Finding a well hidden Shilka is quite challenging in BS - of course without being mowed down. :)

[Highwayman-Ed]

Im sure the mission builders will love BS.

 

Finding a well hidden Shilka is quite challenging in BS - of course without being mowed down. :)

 

Are there any mission builders on the Testers team that can get an early start for us?

[Squid_DK]

Definetely looking forward to the new ME, hope we can get a sneak peak at some of the features soon

 

Cheers

Staffan

[Flyby]

can't fly yet

 

Try out my old hog mission pack whilst you're waiting ;)

 

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Sorry, but my system is in parts now awating a rebuild from a lightning strike. processor, video card and ram survived; mobo, psu, and other stuff kaput. :(

Good news though! The wife m ay let me upgrade to the next gen chipsets! The old 2.8c and 6800 ultra may have to retire! :beer:

Flyby out

[Wags]

Agreed Flyby. For DCS:Black Shark, I would think that the primary focus would be on coop play, NOT head to head. Just like existing helo sims like LB2 and EECH, I think the best multiplay experience for a helo sim is coop.

[Yellonet]

Here's a coop mission idea.

 

Number of players: 2-4(maybe more)

 

Mission type: Search and destroy

 

Details: The mission is to flush out as many AA systems as possible and destroy them, manpads, shilkas, larger missile installations.

A group of Ka-50s will set out on a "fishing trip" where one (or more) Ka-50s will be flying as bait and as such will be without any armaments except for a few rounds for the cannon and with lighter fuel load in order to be able to make more effective evasive manuevers. The rest of the group will be fully armed and ready to pop up on the enemy once discovered and "tagged" via the data-link by the bait craft.

 

What do you think?

[Flyby]

Hey Wags! you forgot to push my reputation button! :D

Yellonet, I'd like to see that mission! But I'm not going to fly in those "deadmeat" bait slots. ;) I'll sit back and shoot whatever you flush out. But I gotta say I like your thinking.:thumbup:

 

I suppose there will be the type of triggers where if a certain level of destruction of enemy ground assets isn't reached the mission will be deemed a failure. That would make desperate scenarios that much more so. Say a friendly brigade is trying to escape envelopement by an opfor. The job of your flight is to keep open a corridor to safety and hold it for their escape. Holding the gap open shouldn't be too easy, but doable. And the clock is running

But hey, I speculate. Just 'illin til release of more info about the ME (Wags, you listening).

Flyby out

[Yellonet]

Hey Wags! you forgot to push my reputation button! :D

Yellonet, I'd like to see that mission! But I'm not going to fly in those "deadmeat" bait slots. ;) I'll sit back and shoot whatever you flush out. But I gotta say I like your thinking.:thumbup:

 

I suppose there will be the type of triggers where if a certain level of destruction of enemy ground assets isn't reached the mission will be deemed a failure. That would make desperate scenarios that much more so. Say a friendly brigade is trying to escape envelopement by an opfor. The job of your flight is to keep open a corridor to safety and hold it for their escape. Holding the gap open shouldn't be too easy, but doable. And the clock is running

But hey, I speculate. Just 'illin til release of more info about the ME (Wags, you listening).

Flyby out

It's all good :)

[Wags]

Indeed! Rep inbound.

[Boberro]

Hmm Iam very interested how evade a example BUK or Hawk missle. Heli is not jet... Will be funny :D I imagine this mission, that would be super.

[Yellonet]

Hmm Iam very interested how evade a example BUK or Hawk missle. Heli is not jet... Will be funny :D I imagine this mission, that would be super.

Get behind something.. or possibly land and hope the radar can't distinguish you against the ground :D

[Boberro]

Hehe worse if BUK, TOR is below your level... even if you get down to ground BUK still see you - you are above its. What emotions will be :D

[GGTharos]

If your rotor is spinning you're visible to radar. Period :D

[Yellonet]

If your rotor is spinning you're visible to radar. Period :D

I guess you need to hide behind something then...

[Flyby]

I can see it's gonna be fun trying to survive in the old combat arena. Is it too late to modify the Black Shark so it has a bubble canopy? Maybe a mast mounted periscope? :)

This sim already has a huge drool factor. Good coops with plenty of danger to overcome will only fan it's reputation.

Oh, I was just kidding about pushing my rep button ( a little embarassed by that bit).

Flyby out

[GGTharos]

There's no such thing as a Ka-50 and mast-mounted periscope, IIRC ;)

 

You can get a good, dangerous COOP without a high-intensity conflict.

Under no circumstances should you try to use Ka-50's as wild weasels of any sort ... most people build air defenses without a realistic pattern or density. Helicopters can't really handle that environment very well, if it is correctly built.

 

Good scenarios for the Ka-50 are Chechnya style terrorist camp busts, or Fulda-Gap style scenarios. There are others as well, but just to give you an idea.

[Highwayman-Ed]

Arrrgggh... I'm at the height of frustration... I have a thousand mission ideas running around in my head, but I'm powerless to do anything with them right now... I guess pen and paper will have to do until we get the new ME :(

[Squid_DK]

Arrrgggh... I'm at the height of frustration... I have a thousand mission ideas running around in my head, but I'm powerless to do anything with them right now... I guess pen and paper will have to do until we get the new ME :(

 

LOL I already have a scratchpad filled with notes about mission ideas and outlines. and more are coming, mission creation will be a focus point for me in DCS:BS.

 

Cheers

Staffan

[Flyby]

no peroscope?!

 

There's no such thing as a Ka-50 and mast-mounted periscope, IIRC ;)

 

Hey GGT, I was just kidding about the mast-mounted periscope.:)

I agree there will be many dangerous scenarios for Black Shark missions without so much emphasis on fighting the enemy air defenses. Personally I'd send in Su25s to perform SEAD, cleansing the area before the arrival of the Black Sharks, if that were necessary. Too bad the Fulda gap isn't modeled in the Black Shark world (yet). In the sim "Gunship!" it was always interesting trying to survive on the battlefield while attacking enemy armour. I mention that sim because it had the overlooked quality of allowing a gunship to mask itself behind actual trees, and stalk it's victims. I hope to revive my stalking techniques in Black Shark.

Flyby out

[MBot]

the sim "Gunship!" it was always interesting trying to survive on the battlefield while attacking enemy armour. I mention that sim because it had the overlooked quality of allowing a gunship to mask itself behind actual trees, and stalk it's victims. I hope to revive my stalking techniques in Black Shark.

Flyby out

 

That's true. With all the problems it had, Gunship! had nailed the battlefield realism realy well (or at least the impression of battlefield realism). I hope Black Shark will be able to bring back that feeling of "fitting" into the battlefield.

 

I already plan to recycle the large number of great radio samples from Gunship! in my Black Shark missions (since the ME will be able to play .wavs with triggers *hint*). "Hammer, this is Reaper, approaching phase line Alpha"...

[GGTharos]

It has been proven that trees don'y help your chopper much against SABOTs... ;) In real life anyway (nor to they -really- prevent detection)