PSYKOnz Posted February 5, 2020 Posted February 5, 2020 Last night me and some friends did a mini BFM tournament and against the f18 I had a problem, I was all over him, spent the majority of the engagement on his tail within 1 nm most of it within .3 nm, at first all was fine but after a few mins there my radar gun pipper started to drift down and off my hud. At first I thought my radar was bent so I carried on using the lead computing sight. Second round the same thing happened, at first all was well but after prolonged lock time on his jet it drifted down again, afterwards I asked if he was using his jammer, he was, that made sense as to why it was playing up My question is, shouldn't the AWG-9 be able to burn through the jamming in that close? It seems to for all other aircraft I’m surprised that he hasn’t melted from being that close to it :megalol: Tomcat, Tomcat über allen
razo+r Posted February 5, 2020 Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) As far as I know, the F-18 does not have a jammer yet. Did you break your plane? Like, over-G'ed a lot? Edited February 5, 2020 by razo+r
Harlikwin Posted February 5, 2020 Posted February 5, 2020 Yeah, you probably broke the plane. Most radars have A/A burn through ranges at like 10-20nm, not 1nm. And the F18 doesn't have functional ecm at this point. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
draconus Posted February 5, 2020 Posted February 5, 2020 Effects of ECM are not yet implemented in Tomcat afaik. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
PSYKOnz Posted February 6, 2020 Author Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) So I just bent it twice lol, brilliant, looks like I’d better do some more practice then Just to rule any variables out i was lower than snake, could that have been it? Ground clutter etc? I’m pretty sure I broke it tho Out of curiosity is there any way to reset or recycle the systems to try bring it back on line? Gloating to follow: I did manage to get PK using the default lead computing sight so I’m pretty happy with that result Edited February 6, 2020 by PSYKOnz Tomcat, Tomcat über allen
Redliner7 Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 I was having this problem too... Didn't know over g would break it! Impressive modeling... How Gs is breaking it tho? 6.5? 10? I had this problem on the dogfight server and it was really stressing me out when the gunsight would drift and i had no idea how manually aim! Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk
PSYKOnz Posted February 6, 2020 Author Posted February 6, 2020 The thing that concerns me is that I don’t think I over g’d it, at no point did I start to black out or pull hard enough to stress the airframe it just stopped working, when it first failed I was pretty much in level flight Tomcat, Tomcat über allen
draconus Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 Are you sure you kept the lock? Breaking the lock will turn the gun sight into different real-time gunsight behaviour. You have to reacquire the target if that happens. Also hitting the CAGE/SEAM button will take you to manual mode. http://www.heatblur.se/F-14Manual/weapons.html#m-61-vulcan-six-barreled-gatling-cannon Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
PSYKOnz Posted February 6, 2020 Author Posted February 6, 2020 I definitely had a good lock the whole time, I even broke the lock and required the lock several times in the course of the fight. I've done a lot of BFM stuff vs players and ai in the past and I've never seen the pipper act or move like this, very weird. again it was fine at the start of the fight, moved completely normally here's a quick edit of the 2 fights this happened in. take a look and let me know what you think. it could just be me being a muppet, but it really didn't "feel" right CAUTION: New Zealand accents and swearing... Tomcat, Tomcat über allen
razo+r Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 There is something off, but then again, if I look on your G-meter... You hit more than 10G somewhere. Maybe you should try to reproduce and try to keep it below 10G.
draconus Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 I definitely had a good lock the whole time Definitely not. You use real-time gunsight without lock most of the time in the video. It is not the cause of the pipper behaviour though. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
captain_dalan Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) Draconus is right, you fly without a lock most of the time. Look at the HUD, if it displays range and closure rate, then you have a lock. Also, the diamond will be on the bandit automatically. EDIT: looks to me you are dropping the lock all the time. Are you by chance hitting the PLM button all the time? Edited February 7, 2020 by captain_dalan Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache, F4U Corsair, WWII Assets Pack
PSYKOnz Posted February 7, 2020 Author Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) Draconus is right, you fly without a lock most of the time. Look at the HUD, if it displays range and closure rate, then you have a lock. Also, the diamond will be on the bandit automatically. EDIT: looks to me you are dropping the lock all the time. Are you by chance hitting the PLM button all the time? Definitely not. You use real-time gunsight without lock most of the time in the video. It is not the cause of the pipper behaviour though. sorry let me clarify what I meant, I'm not the best at getting my words across, please forgive me when I noticed the problem I had had a lock on him as long as he was in front of me. in both the clips in the video I was trying to figure out what was wrong, picking up a lock, observing the issue then manually dropping it and trying something else to see what worked. also in the video, I posted I tried to keep it so it was showing you the behaviour of the crosshair. up until the point in the video where the issues started happening I had maintained a good lock on the target as long as he was in my cone, every time the lock dropped in the video it was because I dropped it on purpose by using the PLM button I fly with the warthog and i know about and use all of the lock-on modes depending on the situation I am in. I also am very aware of the difference and indicators of a lock vs no lock. I was using the lead computing sight in the dog fights because I wanted to make sure that when I locked him up the issue came through rather than just flying around with him locked the whole time with no pipper, the lead computing sight was at least somewhat useful, remember these videos were made during a dogfight tournament we were having, not a test flight hope that clears anything up to do with the target lock/unlocks, again I'm not great with written words and am sorry for any confusion I may have caused Definitely not. You use real-time gunsight without lock most of the time in the video. It is not the cause of the pipper behaviour though. yea that was on purpose because of the weird pipper behaviour, as you notice as soon as I lock him the pipper just kind of falls off the hud, I was in an active fight, I needed to have some kind of sight, probably not the most useful for diagnostics hahaha Edited February 7, 2020 by PSYKOnz Tomcat, Tomcat über allen
captain_dalan Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 It may help if you do keep the lock on after you acquire it. If not too much trouble, could you record a short session with a cooperative aggressor, where you would lock him up at around 1-1.5 NM astern, 600 KIAS, and then he starts defensive maneuvers? Keep decreasing both range and air speeds, but never break the lock. Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache, F4U Corsair, WWII Assets Pack
PSYKOnz Posted February 7, 2020 Author Posted February 7, 2020 ill give it a go, might take a few days tho, ill post when able :) Tomcat, Tomcat über allen
captain_dalan Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 ill give it a go, might take a few days tho, ill post when able :) NP mate, we'll be here! :thumbup: Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache, F4U Corsair, WWII Assets Pack
PSYKOnz Posted March 8, 2020 Author Posted March 8, 2020 I have been trying and trying to replicate this issue but nothing seems to be doing it, either it was a bug and has since been patched out or I'm just flying better and haven't broken the thing Tomcat, Tomcat über allen
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