Flyby Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 my take on afm realism I think it would be great if an actual Black Shark pilot got to fly the BS sim. Maybe that's happening now? Anyway, I want to say I expect that the fm will be difficult to fly, intitally, at it's hightest setting. Maybe that BS (actual) pilot could rate the fm. Then we might embrace "relative" realism as an expression of the fidelity of the fm. Simulated realism seems an oxymoron (stupid oxen?). Imagine the cpu load you'd have if the world of BS was true to real life. (In LOMAC I turn civilian traffic off to save a few cpu cycles.) Add wind effects on the flight model, on trees, on weapons, then toss in heat and humidity, or cold dry air, to also effect engine performance and airfoil efficiency. Now toss in some lard@ss of a pilot. I've read that there are computers in the U.S that simulate nuclear explosions, doing (perhaps) trillions of calculations per second. I wonder if Bush, as a lame-duck president could get me some time on that rig? Then I could loan that time to ED to test the fm. A kid in a candy store, for sure. But I'd never be able to play BS on any system available to the public. Whoops I'm starting to ramble. :music_whistling: To quote Rozanne Rozanadanna, "nevermind" Flyby The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
VMFA117_Poko Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Have real Kamov pilots tested Black Shark yet? Or flight model rely only on physic/mathematic patterns? If they tested can we know their opinions? I supose the opinions are very positive since this forum is ED's ground. But even so I would be happy to read it.
Boberro Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 I have similar question. If BS will be so realistic, isn't it good source for Western spies? ;) Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
Flyby Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 I don't want any twubble Please, no talk of spies. :music_whistling: 1 The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
Infidel Castro Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 hehe, thanks for the reply GGTharos. I didn't think so either but I'm so hyped for this game and it's the realism thing that's the clincher for me. Reminded myself of this youtube vid: On second thoughts, I'll stick to sims and keep the KA-50 in a hangar :)
RedTiger Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 I was fortunate enough to fly a simulator at a well-known airline--my brother in law is a pilot there. This was before 9/11, and I was able to watch him take a "test" in the simulator--and at the end, I got some stick time--albeit only 5 minutes. I was able to take off, and then come around for a landing, which I did successfully. My only experience flying comes from flight sims (falcon 4, Jane's F/A 18). I did bounce the landing though lol. My brother in law told me it cost like 10K a day to run the simulator! Also--I asked him how much real airtime the pilots get before they have passengers on board--and the answer astonished me. Zero. None. They go right from the simulator to the real deal with passengers on board! The fact that you wre able to take off and land ok doesn't surprise me. If the question had been posed as "If I play lots of F4, could I take off from the runway and fly around a bit" I would have said yes, with some qualifications. You probably would be flying unsafely and you'd probably have a difficult time landing. The fact that BS simulates a helicopter changes things quite a bit. Documentation in flight sims is pretty poor when it comes to the basics of flight and landing. Unless someone showed you how or you'd had landed a real plane before, it seems likely that you have some problems with landing a F-16 correctly on your first try. I can only imagine the disaster a helicopter would be.
RvETito Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Documentation in flight sims is pretty poor when it comes to the basics of flight and landing. Unless someone showed you how or you'd had landed a real plane before, it seems likely that you have some problems with landing a F-16 correctly on your first try. I can only imagine the disaster a helicopter would be. I suppose the BS flight manual will satisfy your needs in this aspect ;) "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
GGTharos Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 ^^^^ I would not -ever- make any insinuations WHATSOEVER that reading some flight sim manual and flying that flight sim qualifies to fly -anything-. There is usually a heckuvalot more to cover in real flight than a sim, and you should know that rather well Tito ;) It may be that under good conditions, things will go just fine with having just sim experience. The -moment- you have something that's out of the ordinary is where a real pilot starts earning his money. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
RedTiger Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 ^^^^ I would not -ever- make any insinuations WHATSOEVER that reading some flight sim manual and flying that flight sim qualifies to fly -anything-. There is usually a heckuvalot more to cover in real flight than a sim, and you should know that rather well Tito ;) It may be that under good conditions, things will go just fine with having just sim experience. The -moment- you have something that's out of the ordinary is where a real pilot starts earning his money. EDIT: I re-read your post, the part about "under good condition...etc". Yeah, I agree there. I wan't talking about anything but good conditions. If something went wrong, its another manner. If you honestly think that I'd feel comfortable with and be willing to take off in any aircraft just because I did it 10000 times in a desktop simulator, then my post was misinterpreted. I just wouldn't be surprised if some other dope did it and succeeded. :D There's a disconnect that flight simmers have with regards to our hobby that cuts both ways. They don't realize how very, very, little your average person knows or cares about the basics of flight (just ask my wife :lol:), let alone combat in the air. They also don't realize that the combat pilot in his 30 or 40s probably never played a flight sim let alone a video game before joining the military, especially if the pilot isn't a Westerner.
BBQ Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 I did do some training with an F-16 pilot--online. I had to study hard--and practice alot in order to pass his "check" rides. Unfortunately, things fell to the wayside--as he was trying to setup a flight school of sorts--with Microprose--and it all got lost when Microprose stopped supporting F4, or went out of business--can't remember which. That training was fantastic though--every second I was busy in that cockpit--and this was for simply going to a practice area of sorts--and making sure I could stay in that area by using my TACAN, etc. Then the flight back for the landing on a certain radial, etc. I hope to train with similiar intensity with BS!
EvilBivol-1 Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Have real Kamov pilots tested Black Shark yet? Yes - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
RvETito Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Will toe brake work on Pedals ? No such thing on the real helicopter. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
EvilBivol-1 Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 And what did they say? :)I don't know exactly, but they gave feedback that ED used to adjust the model. Will toe brake work on Pedals ?As AirTito said, the real Ka-50 does not use toe-brakes. The pilot brakes using the big handle on the front of the cyclic stick. DCS will allow wheel brakes to be assigned as an axis. - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
The_GOZR Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Evil i don't think about the helico but later the planes addons... Toe brakeS have to be made as axis ( s). Left and Right. Thanks for the answer. Just think of all those click buttons and bullet ricochet and so much details but wont allow R and L toe brakes........ It will sound bad imo and it's a basic of flight sim.
Yeniceri Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 More, more, more, Always more ;) [sIGPIC]http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa200/misikci/41-imza-1.jpg[/sIGPIC] "To infinity...and beyond!.." SIM-MOD Modeler TURK!
The_GOZR Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 No yeni that is the basics.. sry but it is.. ;) As a for the modeler or the designers they love to have a correct model to at list closest to reality, as a pilot is the same. Now, there are some basics that a simulation must have, flight model basics and management should be implemented. To have a plane model like the A10 better closer to what they are in RL make sens to me... To have less it would make no sens to have mods like the same A10.. isn't it?
VMFA117_Poko Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 I don't expect any problems with it Gozr. When A-10 modul out I think you'll be able to brake with your toes :) (oh man, i am incorrect optimist again)
The_GOZR Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 :) i hope so.. things like this as small as they are in RL they are huge.. :) It would be the same if for a cage driver when to brake at a red light the driver would just press on small button on the dashboard.. Also not all planes have a differential braking or separate .
The_GOZR Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Also another "More" ;) please leave out the Scripts like for the "air-refueling" for easy mode but please leave it to the pilots.. it's a killer that one.
RvETito Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 No air-to-air refueling for 'real' pilots in Blask Shark, only for AIs. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
The_GOZR Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 GuulpP!! Dhuu! ! ;) Do you really think we were talking of the Ka-50 ? Black Shark is it not a submarine name? Shark=Water ... Helico+Fish+Water... PlooOOFF!! A name of a bird or a dragonfly wouldn't of been better ? "Black-dragonfly" yeaa! " The Black Canary"
RvETito Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Spare me the metafors, I'm only telling you that mid-air refueling is left to the AI pilots. Humans can only watch. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
The_GOZR Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Artito Put on some tennis shoes and relax.. Now what basicly what was said before is the hope that in BS for "Future" Planes Aircrafts could refuel with just human input not scripted, and scripts are immersion killer .. BS or Not.. This is all i'm saying.. Anyway it's a long way to go into BS.
tflash Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Evil i don't think about the helico but later the planes addons... Toe brakeS have to be made as axis ( s). Left and Right. Thanks for the answer. Just think of all those click buttons and bullet ricochet and so much details but wont allow R and L toe brakes........ It will sound bad imo and it's a basic of flight sim. The_GOZR, are you telling me that Lockon FC has no axis Toe braxes AND that you are playing it???? Shame on you! Geeezzzz!! Never ever play a simulation that does not have axis Toe braxes, especially the left and right one! Even Microsoft Bicycle Simulator will have it! :cry: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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