Missle Effectiveness Slider

[Wdigman]

I have been playing Loc On and FC on and off since it was initally was reliced and had a Noob question about SAM skill levels and the Missle Effectiveness Slider in the options.

 

The other day I was flyng an A-10 against two 2S6 Tunguskas. All of the settings were at Medium skill level and Missle effectivenes was at the default. I placed a 2S6 behind a ridge I was flying towards and the second 2S6 was on the road moving at 40 mph. There were 2 totally different behaviors when engaging them.

 

The 2S6 behind the ridge was extremely hard to hit, he was in the trees and just behind a rige so you had to attack from high alt and at the max range of a Maverick even to have a chance. Even then, the Tunguska would shoot down the Maverick befoe it made its target. After a few frustrating tries I hit it and engagued the second 2S6 on the road.

 

The SAM that was moving just fired a barrage of missles all of them exploding right after launch. I didnt even have to maneuver to safety. I hit that SAM with little effort, it was night and day how they behaved, when set at the same skill level.

 

Dont know if I just did all the right things against the second Tunguska or if there is something else. I did have the jammers on and was dropping chaff and flares when attacking.

 

Maybe I need to fly online and get some pointers, Still cant knockout an S300 site.

[Eagle Driver]

I've had that happen too, I took out a Tor with guns and no ECM or chaff, not maneuvering, nothing, all in a Flanker, a plane I suck in. Strange things.

[Kuky]

I've had that happen too, I took out a Tor with guns and no ECM or chaff, not maneuvering, nothing, all in a Flanker, a plane I suck in. Strange things.

 

Did it fire at you at all? If not, it was probably out of missiles (it has only 8 )

[Eagle Driver]

Hell no, it fired about six, all flew up about 300ft and blew up, missile warning went off for about a second. No countermeasures, nothing, it just went up and blew up. I've had Tunguskas do that too, but the bullets still work. Found that out the burning-jet-fuel way.

[Pilotasso]

Missile slider is screwed. The programmer behind it left the team several patches before 1.12b and thus it seased to work properly with other values but 50% and 100%. Its an old and known issue.

[Trident]

Yup. Here's hoping they'll get rid of it in Black Shark! No use giving the player the opportunity to mess around with something that can basically only cause trouble - just remove it from the GUI, that would be enough already ;)

 

With 20/20 hindsight, I think it's one of those ideas that sound neat in theory but cause all kinds of havoc once you dig deeper and try it out in practice. Is it supposed to affect only your own missiles, all friendly missiles, the enemy's or flat out all missiles in the sim? Which performance parameters should it adjust, anyway? What happens when you play back a track file from somebody who has a different slider setting? How about multiplayer? Arbitrary solutions can be - and no doubt have been - defined for all of these cases, but in some situations it will be impossible to accomodate all requirements. For example, a single setting, probably the host's, will have to be enforced in multiplayer - discarding the individual player's preference. So there are configurations where a 'best solution' really does not exist and that's never a good thing.

 

All that effort and compromise for a feature that was rarely used in the end and has apparently proven a nightmare to get right on the development side? Not worth it, I say!

[Avimimus]

I personally like having it. I get really tired of always having to dodge SAMs. I prefer being able to fly at 40% when I want to relax and 60% when I want a challenge. It is nice.

[Wags]

There will be no such slider in DCS.

[cool_t]

:)

 

There will be no such slider in DCS.

 

Very nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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[Avimimus]

Very nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

:thumbup:

 

"GRRRRrrrrrrr"

[VMFA117_Poko]

There will be no such slider in DCS.

Good! Only factor that should matter in SAMs enviroment is quality of their crew (good, high, excellent and random). Slider would change things to unrealistic.

[Wdigman]

So I guess My next question is where does the slider have to be for FC to be the most realistic?

 

Would like to get ready for BS and how the SAMs will behave in that sim.

[GGTharos]

50%. And to answer you about the SAMs ... don't get shot at by them. A Helicopter is completely incapable of evading an anti-aircraft missile kinematically. If it is fired at you and you are not ina position to get behind cover or to decoy it, you're done.

[D-Scythe]

So I guess My next question is where does the slider have to be for FC to be the most realistic?

 

Doing air-to-air, I like having the missile slider at 100%. Otherwise, 50% is the most realistic.