Jet Wash And WWII Planes

[StormBat]

After years of my brother and I mainly playing modern Modules on DCS, we decided to get the old Spitfires out dust them off and see how they felt and to check out the new DM WIP. I must say for the most part we were very satisfied, especially with the new DM WIP. Until we noticed that we were getting jet wash from enemy 109s and 190s that you would get from a jet fighter and such. What's with that? It's very disatisfying when your about to get the perfect shot then your warbird goes all squirrelly like a you just passed a 747. :music_whistling:

 

Anyway love this sim for the most part and don't want to ruffle any feathers sort of speak, just really curious that's all. Thanks. Cheers.

[Svsmokey]

Jet wash or wake turbulence ? You can turn the latter off in settings . Some say it is overdone .

[Mars Exulte]

Prop planes don't have jet wash, but they DO have prop wash.

 

Hans Rudel put a chasing fighter into the trees when it slipped into his wake at low altitude and lost control. Hans was in a Ju-87, so not exactly screaming beast. So yeah, if you pass directly through it it's going to toss you around.

 

You can also find plenty of videos of aircraft tossing stuff around behind them becaude the pilot accidentally throttled up when he wasn't clear of his surroundings yet.

[Mike Busutil]

Wake turbulence and prop wash exist and you do not need an engine to create wake turbulence, even gliders produce turbulence...

 

If you killed the engine in your Spitfire, it will still cause wake turbulence just from simply moving through the air.

 

Jets tend to generate more turbulence due to their larger size and faster speeds.

 

 

[StormBat]

I get it... I'm just saying it seems a little to over the top at times, like afterburner instead of prop wash over the top.

[Mars Exulte]

I've flown gliders during the tow, little air tractor pulling me maybe 90mph, probably on the end of a hundred yard line, and screwed up and crossed the wake before. During the qual flights you box the wake, and start by diving directly through it, then when you finish, you climb back up through it again.

 

It's pretty hard to miss, and that's with a freaking air tractor at 90mph. You're talking about a REAL airplane, and traveling several hundred miles an hour. I can absolutely see that being violent.

 

You're saying it's over the top... based on what reference point? Imagination? A book? A video? Cause if it's the first one, it doesn't count.

Edited April 17, 2020 by zhukov032186

[StormBat]

I've flown gliders during the tow, little air tractor pulling me maybe 90mph, probably on the end of a hundred yard line, and screwed up and crossed the wake before. During the qual flights you box the wake, and start by diving directly through it, then when you finish, you climb back up through it again.

 

It's pretty hard to miss, and that's with a freaking air tractor at 90mph. You're talking about a REAL airplane, and traveling several hundred miles an hour. I can absolutely see that being violent.

 

You're saying it's over the top... based on what reference point? Imagination? A book? A video? Cause if it's the first one, it doesn't count.

 

 

 

Says you... but still not convinced. Like I said I know there will be wake turbulence, but yes it is over the top from a prop plane. I don't care if you agree or not, I'm just stating how I and others feel about it, and as far as I know the wake turbulence is still a WIP and rightly so. Cheers.

[Mike Busutil]

Says you...

 

Says Science and facts. If you can't fly with turbulence, you can turn it off or play in arcade mode..

 

Edited April 17, 2020 by Mike Busutil

[Mars Exulte]

Says you... but still not convinced. Like I said I know there will be wake turbulence, but yes it is over the top from a prop plane. I don't care if you agree or not, I'm just stating how I and others feel about it, and as far as I know the wake turbulence is still a WIP and rightly so. Cheers.

 

 

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't mean anybody cares how "you and others" *feel* about it. If you expect anybody to take you seriously, and especially if you want ED to actually do something about it, you need more than *feelings*. People very often *feel* things around here and then end up being wrong. Sometimes people present *evidence* and then everyone pays a bit more attention. At least my "say so" was based on real world experience, albeit a different circumstance and several magnitudes of severity less, and combined with a real world example from WWII.

[StormBat]

Again, get the science, don't need the videos thanks, and no it's not my feelings when my prop plane spins around like a top, or nose over tail as if a tornado just passed me by or at the very least a 747. BTW I'm getting great kills with the new DM(thanks ED)and I've already adapted to the super sonic jet streams for prop planes being as they are ATM. As for play in arcade mode, ya right, I can't even watch a DCS World video if people are flying with labels on(no offence, just can't do it). as soon as I see labels I stop watching. I've been flying flight sims since I had my Commodore 64, then a 286, 386, a Pentium and so on and so forth... I've flown all types and all makes of aircraft from IL-2s beginnings and Forgotten Battles to Microsoft Flight Sims, Janes, you name it. Look you fan boys are gonna do what your gonna do, I'm just saying it's a little much with the prop planes, you don't agree and that's fine, we're all entitled to our opinions Cheers and have a lovely flight. :pilotfly:

[Mfezi]

Although I'm an engineer by profession, I also have a pilot's license and as such I have had the opportunity to fly chase aircraft during flight testing (real world). I haven't done it behind a WWII fighter, but I have done it behind turboprop aircraft (military trainer types). Because you are often asked to change position for observation purposes, from time to time it happens that you misjudge it and end up going through the wake and/or prop wash. These turboprop military trainers are not too far from the mass and power of a typical WWII fighter, so it should give at least a representative idea of the relative effects. Crossing through the wing wake in real world is surprisingly violent, even for these relatively light aircraft: If it catches you unawares it will easily bank you through 30 to 45deg. In addition, the actual turbulence combined with the prop wash will shake you pretty violently. I guess I can describe it a bit like when you are driving on a smooth tarmac road and suddenly go onto a stretch of rough dirt road while simultaneously hitting a pothole. You really have to experience it to appreciate it.

 

 

I'm making no claim about the accuracy of DCS, as I have not tested this in detail. But from what I have seen the magnitude of the effect does not appear to be too far off.