Force_Feedback Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 The Kh-29T/L were made as demolitions charges against buildings and ships, locking a tank with such devices would be an overkill and waste of money in real life. That's why it (29T) lacks a moving target capability. Besides, with those big control surfaces it would bleed off speed in no time had it to track a moving target. A 320 kg warhead is too much for puny vehicles ;) Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Weta43 Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Something I noticed recently while attacking ground targets is that the phantasmagoria pod does not recognize the shilka aaa and strella short range sam. It does recognize most of the medium and long range sams such as tor, patriot, buk, kub..etc. This might answer your question - (From memory) the phantasmagoria will actualy lock on those emitters, but not allow the launch of a PR missile, the answer is lock with the Phantasmagoria (saves searching for them), then switch off the pod. The Schval will remain locked on the location & then launch a Kh-25ML or Vihkr at them ... Cheers.
SoaringEagle74 Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 Like I said, you don't need to keep lock. The missile will aready know where to "aim". If you are lasing then yes, you need to keep lock untill impact. With TV guided Kh-29T (or TV guided bombs) you don't... you lock, wait to get LA... then fire and disengage. But again, this is only for non moving targets. Ok. I see your point! Thanks.
SoaringEagle74 Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 This might answer your question - (From memory) the phantasmagoria will actualy lock on those emitters, but not allow the launch of a PR missile, the answer is lock with the Phantasmagoria (saves searching for them), then switch off the pod. The Schval will remain locked on the location & then launch a Kh-25ML or Vihkr at them ... I don't believe this is the case Weta43. I have flown the su-25/t on many occassions and it appears not to recognize certain aaa or shorad. For example the shilka and strella(both versions). The way I know it is because it doesn't give you any reference in the hud. When you slew the phantasmagoria on the target and attempt to get a lock absolutely nothing happens because the marker moves freely within the hud. I am quite suprised that no one else has noticed it! Cheers.
RvETito Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 I did notice it recently after trying to put a MPU on a Shilka which ended up with that bitch blowing off my nose: I barely made it to fly over that ridge though :doh: "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
tflash Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 One need to spend some time and learn all auto-pilot modes with Su-25T. Then, all of a sudden it is not that difficult to fly the best airppalne in this game, the Su-25T! I must confess learning the automodes truly changed my Su-25T experience. Flying with a better trimmed plane, it appears performance is not that bad after all. It also can turn quite sharply at the right speed. I also noticed I had to fly it substantially lower than I am used to. I now often fly somewhere between 400 to 700 meters (below 2000ft). I still find it way better for pre-planned CAS, where you know where the enemy is supposed to be, than for the typical NTISR or Close-in Air Support roles. Some quotes from the net offer somewhat surprising statements to me, though (from http://www.enemyforces.com/aircraft/su39.htm): "The high aircraft maneuverability enables it at low and average altitudes and speeds to rotate "on its tail" and launch a second attack almost without visual loss of contact with an air and surface target, especially in limited space over the target- in hard accessible forest and mountainous areas, when the use of other strike systems is virtually impossible." "Furthermore it is most undemanding. It can use diesel fuel instead of kerosene and does not require high-skilled maintenance. Pilots of any grade can muster the aircraft." Well eeeuhhh ... I cannot say I can "muster" the aircraft, but then again I have no pilot grade at all :cry: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
S77th-konkussion Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 I don't believe this is the case Weta43. I have flown the su-25/t on many occassions and it appears not to recognize certain aaa or shorad. For example the shilka and strella(both versions). The way I know it is because it doesn't give you any reference in the hud. When you slew the phantasmagoria on the target and attempt to get a lock absolutely nothing happens because the marker moves freely within the hud. I am quite suprised that no one else has noticed it! Cheers. It picks it up alright. It's just that by the time you see it on your display you are way too close to do anything about it. I suppose you could use it to ID where a target is and communicate it to your flight, or for another pass. But you can't lock onto a Shilka with Phantas and use an ML on it for example. The Strela uses IR for targeting- thus- no detection. [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=43337&d=1287169113[/sIGPIC]
159th_Viper Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 It picks it up alright. It's just that by the time you see it on your display you are way too close to do anything about it.... Aye - Quite Right..........Time to Break 180, extend and search for that Shifty lil' bugger or if you've been snoozing...........to wait for the Tracer Flying past your Pit and if you're really sleepy...........B.O.H.I.C.A. :D Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Ironhand Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 ...the shilka and strella(both versions). The way I know it is because it doesn't give you any reference in the hud... As others have noted, it'll pick up the Shilka at the last minute because of the weak radar transmissions. But it does you no good anyway because you are within minimums for your antiradar missiles by the time you see it. The Strela is an IR platform. There are no radar emissions to track. The Strela-10 has a ranging radar that is not modeled in the sim, though I don't know if the real-life pod on the Su-25T can track it either. RIch YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
GGTharos Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 The ranging radar will only ping you for a brief moment anyway so it would be an unlikely target for an ARM, IMHO. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Ironhand Posted January 14, 2008 Posted January 14, 2008 The ranging radar will only ping you for a brief moment anyway so it would be an unlikely target for an ARM, IMHO. You're probably right. Never gave it much thought one way or the other, since it's not in the sim. But it makes sense. The radar would be on standby until after they had you visually and were taking a radar "snapshot" to range you. Rich YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
Weta43 Posted January 14, 2008 Posted January 14, 2008 A quickly done track of locking a Shilka with the Phantasmagoria pod, turning off the pod & using a convention LG weapon. Crap flying & a crazy way to do it - not recomending it as a method to hit a Shilka at all - but the pod does lock... (Fine against other things though, as I'm sure you know)Shilka Phantasm.zip Cheers.
SoaringEagle74 Posted January 14, 2008 Posted January 14, 2008 As others have noted, it'll pick up the Shilka at the last minute because of the weak radar transmissions. But it does you no good anyway because you are within minimums for your antiradar missiles by the time you see it. The Strela is an IR platform. There are no radar emissions to track. The Strela-10 has a ranging radar that is not modeled in the sim, though I don't know if the real-life pod on the Su-25T can track it either. RIch Are you sure the strela-10 ranging radar is not modeled in lomac/fc? When flying the ukranian anti-artillery mission(built-in mission) I get locked-on well before shilka range which is approximately 2-3km range. In other words, I think it tracks around 15-20km's out and its quite lethal! I am going to check lomac/fc encyclopedia later and update any relevant info.
Ironhand Posted January 14, 2008 Posted January 14, 2008 Are you sure the strela-10 ranging radar is not modeled in lomac/fc?... Quite sure: Strela-10 Track (V1.12). Not a peep out of the Berosia at any point. Rich YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
Weta43 Posted January 14, 2008 Posted January 14, 2008 The 'dog ear radar' is the radar unit for the Strella 10 Cheers.
Ironhand Posted January 15, 2008 Posted January 15, 2008 The 'dog ear radar' is the radar unit for the Strella 10 Yes. It's been replacing the Shilka as the search/ranging radar in Strela-1 and Strela-10 batteries. But SoaringEagle74 said: "...I get locked-on well before shilka range...I think it tracks around 15-20km's out and its quite lethal." The Dog ear doesn't lock anything. You never get anything but a search tone from it. And the Strela-10 alone, gives no hint that it has a ranging capability of its own. Rich YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
SoaringEagle74 Posted January 15, 2008 Posted January 15, 2008 Ok. My bad judgement! After studying the lomac encyclopedia and playing the mission again I realised that the Tors were painting me...not the strella or shilka. They were about 5-10kms behind front lines and recessed on the other side of a hill making observation/identification very difficult from a low altitude.
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