flyco Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 I am a little confused about the timing and/or position at which to make the "KISS OFF" Break as a leader of 4 ac. The 'Book' says ac in a flight should break at 15-20 sec intervals, But if you are not able to break within 4 nm of passing the ship you are to go around. If we are doing 360 kias, then the fourth ac will break between 45 and 60 seconds after the lead, by which time it will have covered between 4.5 and 6 nm. May I take it that the limit of 4 nm applies only to the Flight Lead, and that, if he or she breaks within 4 nm, the remainder of his flight my continue. A little pedantic I know, but "rules is rules". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Flight lead will need to do a SHB and break before the stern of the ship if they are leading a 4 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSS_Sniper Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Don't do 360 knots. Do 300 I9 9900k @ 5ghz water cooled, 32gb ram, GTX 2080ti, 1tb M.2, 2tb hdd, 1000 watt psu TrackIR 5, TM Warthog Stick and Throttle, CH Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Don't do 360 knots. Do 300 Well 300 is below the natops specification, so dont do that 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyco Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 I am sure you were both joking. If a set of rules cannot be complied with, they are wrong, and should be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecat Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Related question: Are we supposed to remain in our flight group during the overhead stack and throughout the pattern? All the way up till the overhead break? I had thought that the stack was solo, so as to create separation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Related question: Are we supposed to remain in our flight group during the overhead stack and throughout the pattern? All the way up till the overhead break? I had thought that the stack was solo, so as to create separation. Case1 = Full flight Case2 = 2ship Case3 = solo 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecat Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Case1 = Full flight Case2 = 2ship Case3 = solo Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorlima01 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Nope, no joke. If you're leading a 4-ship you're expected to break expeditiously and lead in a fashion that doesn't result in -3 spinning. If you do 300 kts you might cause a bottleneck behind you. So aim for 350, break right at the bow and that should give ample space for -3 to break without bursting the 4nm limit. Leads should have no problem handling a tight pattern. Remember Goose: "do some of that pilot sh*ˆt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom453 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Case1 = Full flight Case2 = 2ship Case3 = solo Thanks. That helps! :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor18 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 I don't think tough, that 15-20 seconds between the 4 ship breaks is necessary to give enough spacing to enter the groove. I think 45 seconds between touchdowns use to be an acceptable pace on a carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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