Odin_Norway Posted May 17, 2008 Posted May 17, 2008 Notice the stabilazers (correct typing?). They are like on supersonic jets, where the whole stabilazers move not just rudder surfaces on the edge. Btw, congratulation today every fellow norwegians :) Oдин
RvETito Posted May 17, 2008 Posted May 17, 2008 This is a serial Su-25T. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
Odin_Norway Posted May 17, 2008 Author Posted May 17, 2008 And the obvious followup question is why isn't the T in the game modelled with the same stabilazers? Oдин
RvETito Posted May 17, 2008 Posted May 17, 2008 Tho LO's model is correct- stabilizer with elevators, it is not fully deflectable 1-part stabilizer. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
SuperKungFu Posted May 17, 2008 Posted May 17, 2008 lol, isn't this picture from my loadout screen mod? It still has the lock on logo on it haha. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
SuperKungFu Posted May 17, 2008 Posted May 17, 2008 yea i got the pic from airliners.net, I just added the lock on logo on it for the loadout. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Odin_Norway Posted May 17, 2008 Author Posted May 17, 2008 Tho LO's model is correct- stabilizer with elevators, it is not fully deflectable 1-part stabilizer. Well, is it something wrong with my eyes? Or isn't the stabilizer on the picture fully deflectable? I tried to google picture of su-25/su-39 but very few displayed the tail section of the aircraft lol, isn't this picture from my loadout screen mod? It still has the lock on logo on it haha. Yes it is. Great work! I am using it and I was sitting waiting for the game to load when I suddenly: WTF?? What kind of stabilizers are there on that aircraft? 1 Oдин
mvsgas Posted May 17, 2008 Posted May 17, 2008 Could it be both? Elevator on the trailing edge and maybe at higher speed or for trim the whole thing moves. It looks that way here: Edited Then again it could be a prototype I guess, look at this tail... look pretty solid to me, obviously I'm no expert but, what do you think Edited again The first photo, the aircraft has the work "Yukos" on the side. What is that, a fuel company? Maybe that aircraft is a prototype. 1 To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Vekkinho Posted May 17, 2008 Posted May 17, 2008 yea i got the pic from airliners.net, I just added the lock on logo on it for the loadout. Do you happen to have LOFC logo?! Anyone?! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Mechanist Posted May 17, 2008 Posted May 17, 2008 Take a look at this: "Fighters make movies, bombers make history."
Mechanist Posted May 17, 2008 Posted May 17, 2008 No it isn't. Actualy it is a flaps thingy, when you use the landing flaps the stabilizer change its angel about 5°, Modelled correctly in the Su-25T. Wow, my favourite plane is the 25' for more than 10 years, and i realized this feature just now. :) "Fighters make movies, bombers make history."
SuperKungFu Posted May 17, 2008 Posted May 17, 2008 Do you happen to have LOFC logo?! Anyone?! sorry no I don't have that logo [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Odin_Norway Posted May 19, 2008 Author Posted May 19, 2008 Do you happen to have LOFC logo?! Anyone?! There is a logo (vectorgraphic I think?) over at lockonfiles, but it is LockOn Modern Air Combat - not LockOn Flaming Cliffs No it isn't. Actualy it is a flaps thingy, when you use the landing flaps the stabilizer change its angel about 5°, Modelled correctly in the Su-25T. Wow, my favourite plane is the 25' for more than 10 years, and i realized this feature just now. :) Yes you are so right. I have never noticed that happen. Tested it today. Cool. Thanks for the info :thumbup: Oдин
RvETito Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 Another thing I noticed just yesterday- take a look at the wheel brakes indicator when you operate the landing gear lever... :thumbup: "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
nscode Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 Yes, you can also deplete the hydro systems if you "pump" (apply and release many times) the brakes and extend and retract flaps when the engines have been stopped :) One think that I find strange: if you start just the right engine, you will get both hydro systems operational. BUT, if you start just the left engine (without first starting the right one, and with 0 pressure in both hydro) you will only get pressure in the gydrosist. 1 and will only be able to opperate flaps and steering, but not the brakes. Is this OK, or is it a bug? Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
RvETito Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 I believe it's normal. Usualy, for aircraft with more than one system one of them is main the other is standby. I'm not familiar with 25's hydro system but I suppowe that sys 2 is backup providing power only for essential components. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
mvsgas Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 SU-25T model still amazes me. Never notice the stab moving nether, wow. Sorry, OT: The hydraulic model seems cool and have a lot of cool detail. I do find odd that an aircraft designed for survival will not have more redundant hydraulic systems ( SU-25 in the game, don't know in real life). I have crash so many time at home base after getting there and landing with no hydraulic pressure. I find it odd because real aircraft have so many back ups. --How do Russian aircraft stop in an emergency landing with no hydraulic pressure? We use a Tail hook. At least the aircraft I have work on and have emergency brakes accumulators. Plus on multi engine aircraft, the hydraulics are divided between the engines. Engine one will run pump 1 for one system and pump 2 for the other system and vice versa. --I wander if Hydraulics in real SU-25 work the same way? --How about landing gear extension with no Hydraulic pressure, how do they extend in Russian aircraft? We use different methods, gravity ( I know very technical ha) or air pressure. Sorry for all the questions, I'm just curios about Russian aircraft mechanics and theory of operation. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
nscode Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 Backup gear extension? No... they just land without the gear, repair it, and fly tomorrow :) Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Excelsior Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 On the Su-27, the backup landing gear is the . :pilotfly::smilewink: "No matter where you go, there you are" Intel E-8400 "Wolfdale" - Asus Maximus Formula - Swiftech H2O 120 4 Gb G.Skill PC2-8000C5 - EVGA 8800 GTS 512 - Dell 2707WFP WD Caviar 500Gb - Vista 64
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nscode Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 But I think he just forgot to lower it :D Btw, those pylons, and the bottom of engine housing are made out of titanium :) Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Excelsior Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 But I think he just forgot to lower it :D Correct. A "Doh" moment. :doh: :music_whistling: "No matter where you go, there you are" Intel E-8400 "Wolfdale" - Asus Maximus Formula - Swiftech H2O 120 4 Gb G.Skill PC2-8000C5 - EVGA 8800 GTS 512 - Dell 2707WFP WD Caviar 500Gb - Vista 64
Odin_Norway Posted May 19, 2008 Author Posted May 19, 2008 Yes, you can also deplete the hydro systems if you "pump" (apply and release many times) the brakes and extend and retract flaps when the engines have been stopped :) One think that I find strange: if you start just the right engine, you will get both hydro systems operational. BUT, if you start just the left engine (without first starting the right one, and with 0 pressure in both hydro) you will only get pressure in the gydrosist. 1 and will only be able to opperate flaps and steering, but not the brakes. Is this OK, or is it a bug? I remember one time I was on final with a badly damaged 25. I was constantly pulling my stick to the right due to some lost wingsurface (didn't want to trim it to much as I was slowing down the speed). But I was looking forward to put my beloved bird back on the ground. I had lost one of the hydraulicsystems, but I was doing fine. But stupid me waited until the last moment to lower the gear...and then...bye bye hydraulicpressure which again resulted in loss of controll, unable to recover and a crash :( but a lesson learned the hard way Oдин
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