Why were there NO HiViz liveries for the NAVY created

[CanopyJettison]

Cheers,

 

Is there a reason that there were just HiViz liveries for the Marines created and available?

VFA 106 doesn't count due it says both, Navy and Marines.

 

Will they come in future?

 

Please explain me the reason.

 

Thanks mates

[BarTzi]

Saving space\ time \ money. 

[Jackjack171]

5 hours ago, CanopyJettison said:

Cheers,

 

Is there a reason that there were just HiViz liveries for the Marines created and available?

VFA 106 doesn't count due it says both, Navy and Marines.

 

Will they come in future?

 

Please explain me the reason.

 

Thanks mates

Here you go. User Files (digitalcombatsimulator.com)

[CanopyJettison]

Downloadable content doest work in multiplayer.

Not an option.

And even if it would work, no option eather. We dont pay 80 bugs for in incomplete module, were have need to go on a search and download stuff by our own.

 

I am not impatient.

They dont need to come with the next update.

Just being on the roadmap and caming somewhere in the future is enough for now.

 

Please somebody of ED Community Managers confirm, there were more skins to come in the future.

[Harker]

Do you want Hi-Viz liveries for all USN squadrons? Our Hornet is supposed to be a mid-2000s bird, so that adds a few different versions for each squadron. That's a big waste of storage space and development resources. There's a reason why the User Files option is mentioned in every thread like that; because it's not feasible or smart to have a ton of liveries in the base game. If a MP community wishes to recreate a specific squadron or carrier air wing, they can distribute the livery between their members (like we do) and then everyone sees it. On open MP servers, where everyone flies, I kinda thing that random people don't care about the next guy's livery, as long as they can see their own, so it doesn't really hurt anyone.

I wouldn't mind if some more liveries were added to the game, even better if ED updated the Bort number positions to cover more locations. But completely dismissing user made liveries as an option is a bad idea, IMHO.

[Ryan3469]

On 12/5/2020 at 12:42 AM, CanopyJettison said:

Downloadable content doest work in multiplayer.

Not an option.

And even if it would work, no option eather. We dont pay 80 bugs for in incomplete module, were have need to go on a search and download stuff by our own.

 

I am not impatient.

They dont need to come with the next update.

Just being on the roadmap and caming somewhere in the future is enough for now.

 

Please somebody of ED Community Managers confirm, there were more skins to come in the future.

I have probably hundreds of installed skins and I fly multiplayer all the time. Whoever told you that downloadable content doesn't work in multiplayer is wrong. The only thing that "doesn't work" is if the other people in the server don't have the skin you have equipped installed. If they don't have it installed, they will only see the default VFA-37 skin. You can go to the user files section and find LOTS of CAG and high vis skins there that you can install, and it will work on multiplayer.

[CanopyJettison]

Am 5.12.2020 um 10:03 schrieb Harker:

Do you want Hi-Viz liveries for all USN squadrons? Our Hornet is supposed to be a mid-2000s bird, so that adds a few different versions for each squadron. That's a big waste of storage space and development resources. There's a reason why the User Files option is mentioned in every thread like that; because it's not feasible or smart to have a ton of liveries in the base game. If a MP community wishes to recreate a specific squadron or carrier air wing, they can distribute the livery between their members (like we do) and then everyone sees it. On open MP servers, where everyone flies, I kinda thing that random people don't care about the next guy's livery, as long as they can see their own, so it doesn't really hurt anyone.

I wouldn't mind if some more liveries were added to the game, even better if ED updated the Bort number positions to cover more locations. But completely dismissing user made liveries as an option is a bad idea, IMHO.

Hi,

thanks for feedback.

At least for the more famous ones.

I am talking for example of the the VFA-82 Marauders mit the Duck on the Nose.

Or the VFA-195 Dambusters Chippy Ho II from 1996.

I know, 1996 is not mid-2000s but we got an F/A-18A+ Blue Angels Skin for the C as well. So I think its ok, to add a 1996 bird, which looks that awesome and iconic.

Not more then one HiViz Bird per Squadron.

And maybe add some squadrons, which arent included yet... Sunliners, Sidewinders, Knighthawks, Marauders, Dambusters ...

Waste of storage space and development resources? No, not more waste then the fictional Russian and Israeli Hornet livery.

User made liveries as an option, if they were included into the game.

ED should do a Livery Contest for the Hornet and the Fighting Falcon.

[Deano87]

There are literally hundreds of high quality user made skins out there. Go download some, If you fly with friends online, get them to download them too. Works great.

[CanopyJettison]

So when I join a multiplayer server, for example the growling sidewinder server, i should ask in the chat to download also this specific skin?

How many people, do you think, will pause their game, go to the user files and will download a skin which i asked for in the chat? I think not a single one. But maybe I am wrong. hahahaha

 

I am not talking about adding much skins.

Just a few HiViz or some other iconic missing ones just as low viz.

Is adding round about 5 liveries that much effort?

 

I just asked in the first post for the reason why ED did a HiViz one for the Marines squadrons?

Why did they not just do LowViz for them. So that there were just Low Viz skins in game?

Why did every squadron a HiViz skin? Grey Ghosts have no HiViz, gebause there was no HiViz in real life.

Why making differences about Navy and Marines?

[Jackjack171]

I'm not sure how long you've been into DCS but ED has never given that many livery options to begin with. The questions that you are asking are kind of pointless. The community has always produced better and more liveries than the devs. To be frank, the amount of work that they (devs) have, liveries should be the least of their concerns. Let the devs handle the big parts. But that's just me! 

[CanopyJettison]

Am 23.12.2020 um 02:44 schrieb Jackjack171:

I'm not sure how long you've been into DCS but ED has never given that many livery options to begin with. The questions that you are asking are kind of pointless. The community has always produced better and more liveries than the devs. To be frank, the amount of work that they (devs) have, liveries should be the least of their concerns. Let the devs handle the big parts. But that's just me! 

I am around since one year.

What was the livery situation at the beginning. Please explain to me.

 

Yes, of course I let the devs handle the big parts but the shoudnt forget about the smaller parts.

Why are you so against about adding around 5 to 10 more liveries to the game?

There are some HiViz liveries for the Marines. Why shoudnt there be some for the Navy?

 

There are some people out there they want just plug and play.

After downloading 5 hours and tons of GBs for maps and modules they just want to hop in multiplayer and fly.

They dont want to go on some websites, searching within user files for a specific livery.

Plug and play. They just want to fly a HiViz Stingers livery. Not a specific one. Just one random HiViz Stingers livery (for example).

Or they want to fly just a dambusters livery. Just a random one, so specific one. Just because they have any special connection to dambusters (for example). But its not relevant for them, which specific livery of the dambusters it is.

Like the random HiViz Werewolfes Marines livery, or the Red Devils, Or the Death Rattlers.

 

They want just plug and play.

The Hornet module is about 80 bugs.

I am asking not for much.

I am asking just for a few more liveries to include into the module. Not 100. Not 1000. JUST round aboud 5 to 10. Some missing squads like dambusters, marauders, sidewinders. and for some of them with a second HiViz skin, if the squad has a legendary iconic liveries in its history.

 

If you dont want to use and fly them, fine. But please then be ok with the people, who want a few more liveries added.

Again, just a FEW. I am not asking for much.

 

[T-O-A]

Totally agree on canopyjettison.

I think between 5 and 10 liveries would be cool for the module.

 

The Navy have the more interesting liveries for me.

Hope some of the missing VFAs will be added. dambusters, marauders, sidewinders is a good choice. I would add Kighthawks and sunliners

And a few Navy HiViz. Maybe 5.

Makes 10 liveries in total to add.

I don't think that's too much to ask.

 

Of course its not high  priority and not a big part.

But canopyjettison is defenetly right that ED shouldnt forget about the smaller parts.

Its a point of quality to think also at the smaller points and (for example) offer the customers a good collection of liveries.

 

Even the simulation F/A-18 PSF back in the days of early 2000s has Sunliners and Knighthawks liveries.

Big lack on Hornets DCS module at the moment.

 

But lets wait for an official statement of ED.

This discussion without any official stement didnt bring us any further.

Edited December 25, 2020 by T-O-A

[Jackjack171]

4 hours ago, CanopyJettison said:

I am around since one year.

What was the livery situation at the beginning. Please explain to me.

 

Yes, of course I let the devs handle the big parts but the shoudnt forget about the smaller parts.

Why are you so against about adding around 5 to 10 more liveries to the game?

There are some HiViz liveries for the Marines. Why shoudnt there be some for the Navy?

 

There are some people out there they want just plug and play.

After downloading 5 hours and tons of GBs for maps and modules they just want to hop in multiplayer and fly.

They dont want to go on some websites, searching within user files for a specific livery.

Plug and play. They just want to fly a HiViz Stingers livery. Not a specific one. Just one random HiViz Stingers livery (for example).

Or they want to fly just a dambusters livery. Just a random one, so specific one. Just because they have any special connection to dambusters (for example). But its not relevant for them, which specific livery of the dambusters it is.

Like the random HiViz Werewolfes Marines livery, or the Red Devils, Or the Death Rattlers.

 

They want just plug and play.

The Hornet module is about 80 bugs.

I am asking not for much.

I am asking just for a few more liveries to include into the module. Not 100. Not 1000. JUST round aboud 5 to 10. Some missing squads like dambusters, marauders, sidewinders. and for some of them with a second HiViz skin, if the squad has a legendary iconic liveries in its history.

 

If you dont want to use and fly them, fine. But please then be ok with the people, who want a few more liveries added.

Again, just a FEW. I am not asking for much.

 

I'm not against anything bro. I'm just informing you. Since you've been here a year, you should have already seen this pattern. It's funny you took it that I was against something! Anyway, I have every livery for the Hornet and Tomcat except those fictional ones and have never had  an issue with them. You keep asking the devs for more and it's already at your fingertips.  It takes 5 seconds to download and a minute more to install a livery. Don't make things hard on yourself. 

[Volator]

On 12/5/2020 at 10:03 AM, Harker said:

If a MP community wishes to recreate a specific squadron or carrier air wing, they can distribute the livery between their members (like we do) and then everyone sees it. On open MP servers, where everyone flies, I kinda thing that random people don't care about the next guy's livery, as long as they can see their own, so it doesn't really hurt anyone.

 

I liked the way the old IL-2 1946 dealt with this. In MP sessions, individual user skins were always downloaded (or transferred if you will) automatically by all other clients participating, if they activated skin download in their game IIRC.

 

That being said, some skins back then tended to hurt the eye, looked outright silly, were historically totally incorrect, or offensive - some all at the same time.

 

It sometimes would make things simpler though. But then you also would have to consider size of skins and bandwith issues...

Edited January 6, 2021 by Pilot Ike

[Harker]

1 hour ago, Pilot Ike said:

 

I liked the way the old IL-2 1946 dealt with this. In MP sessions, individual user skins were always downloaded (or transferred if you will) automatically by all other clients participating, if they activated skin download in their game IIRC.

 

That being said, some skins back then tended to hurt the eye, looked outright silly, were historically totally incorrect, or offensive - some all at the same time.

 

It sometimes would make things simpler though. But then you also would have to consider size of skins and bandwith issues...

 

Eh, I don't see this being a viable option in DCS. Some skins can be more than 0.5 GB large, can you imagine having to download, like, 5 of these just to join a random server?

I think it'd be better for ED to change the way decals work. Have one or a few empty skin bases (diffuse texture without decals, normal map, rooughmet map) and have a system that allows you to swap between multiple different decals on the wings or tail and have your own name on the side of the aircraft. It can work similarly to how the dynamic bort numbers work now.

An improvement would be to place the decals and bort numbers layer below the roughmet layer, so the reflections can still look correct. If nothing else, this needs to happen to fix that particular issue with the bort numbers now.