reported P-51 RAM air missing after patch.

[grafspee]

1 hour ago, MarcT-NL said:

No, I don't think so. I bound the controlls to switches on the HOTAS, but it's still not binary. If I press the switch I see the lever moving forward/backward. When I release that switch the lever stays in that position. Works fine by me. Works as it always has, before 2.7.

 

I sill didn't get answer, i know that levers moves in cockpit, but does RAM air works actualy, in order to check this you need to set MP at 35 inch just example any boost below 41" then you need to move your cold air lever and watch your MP gauge. Ofc you need to do it in flight not on the ground, if MP don't change  RAM air doesn't work.

I know 100% in not modified DCS P-51 ram air effect only works with cold lever assigned to axis control, no other way works at all, via mouse or any key bind.

I was flying on SoW server in K-4 between 10km-12.5km alt and not a single P-51 could do anything a about that, i assume that all P-51 had their cold lever in filter in position, missing extremely important think like RAM air. 

Edited June 14, 2021 by grafspee

[MarcT-NL]

Ah. OK, I tested it. Seems to work.

 

See the YT-movie. My recordings are dreadfull stuttering, but I hope you can still see. First I do a little dogfight, which I win of course :).  Then at 06:00 I set prop to 2500 and MP to 30. Then with a HOTAS-button, I put the ram-air lever back. So it's not an axis, it's a button right.
After that the MP is reduced a bit. I think that is what you meant, right ?

 

 

 

By the way... anybody any tips on how to improve recordings ?

Edited June 15, 2021 by MarcT-NL

[grafspee]

Yes, this is it. Looks like it works.

If you have Nvidia GPU try using nvidia experince app. It had module for recordings works for me quite well in 4k

 

[=475FG= Dawger]

I uploaded my fix for this as a mod to make it easier to apply.

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3317307/

 

[MarcT-NL]

8 hours ago, pmiceli said:

I uploaded my fix for this as a mod to make it easier to apply.

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3317307/

 

Thanks pmiceli. It is a shame it had to come to this, where the buying customers start fixing bugs...

[=475FG= Dawger]

5 hours ago, MarcT-NL said:

Thanks pmiceli. It is a shame it had to come to this, where the buying customers start fixing bugs...

I don’t really see it that way. DCS is an incredibly complex thing and its easy for something like this to happen. We love DCS while for the average developer, its a job. A job staring at code all day, not a job playing DCS. 
 

DCS isn’t the sort of video game that is ever going to make billions of dollars. To a large extent, it is a labor of love for the owners. 
 

I am sure some relatively new programmer was given the task of revising the autostart macros and associated files for the damage model release and there were several errors of this sort introduced. Hopefully, this person has learned since to be a bit more careful.

 

My money spent per hour of enjoyment in DCS is incredibly low. Down to a few pennies for the P-51. Compared to other entertainment choices, DCS is easily the most fabulous value anyone can imagine. Streaming video costs far more and is much less engaging. My tomato garden costs a helluva lot more and I work in the hot Texas sun dripping sweat for a few veggies. Hookers and blow are wildly expensive by comparison. Strippers cost about $25 a minute. The 50 Buick I am restoring is a money pit. 
 

I happily work hard in pursuit of my other pastimes. While it would be fabulous if DCS were perfect, it is an unreasonable expectation and I am more than happy to spend a few minutes on something like this. 
 

And real airplanes aren’t “bug free”. You deal with stuff like this on a daily basis flying the real thing. Even weapons of war suffer the same fate. US submarines fought over half the Pacific campaign with severely buggy torpedoes. 
 

So I take it all in stride, treat DCS like I did flying real planes. You fly and fight with what you have, not with what you wish you had. 

[grafspee]

If someone wonder how big boost gain comes from RAM AIR

 

[MarcT-NL]

Right. So after the update of july 21th 2021 I was hopefull. I noticed the P-51 got some work done, and I expected the stupid bindings to finaly got fixed.

So I eagerly tried it after the update, and I'm not sure what happened, but all the bindings are gone !  I always save the bindings, but this time they didn't reload.

 

So I don't know how to take this. Does this mean they fixed the controls and losing all bindings is an unfortunate side-effect ?  Because fixing the canopy and air-levers is not mentioned in the release notes. Or is this just the ultimate insult from ED to the P-51 buyers ?

 

Anyway, I'll start working on rebinding everythiung again. *worried*

[grafspee]

Like mentioned earlier, all custom binds involving game files modification will be deleted after every game update.

Issue still persist after patch 

[MarcT-NL]

EEhrmmm.... where are the brake-axis' ?

[grafspee]

I would file support ticket

 

[MarcT-NL]

13 minutes ago, grafspee said:

Like mentioned earlier, all custom binds involving game files modification will be deleted after every game update.

Issue still persist after patch 

Don't know what you're talking about. I have never lost bindings after an update before. Sure, the canopy and air-controls I had to redo after each update, but nothing else.

Just now, grafspee said:

I would file support ticket

 

Yes, I think I will. Maybe run a repair first

[Ala13_ManOWar]

13 minutes ago, MarcT-NL said:

Don't know what you're talking about. I have never lost bindings after an update before. Sure, the canopy and air-controls I had to redo after each update, but nothing else.

Yes, I think I will. Maybe run a repair first

If you used Pmicelli's workaround to the ram air-carburettor heat axis visually moving in the cockpit, you have to put the file again in it's place for it to work again. You probably have a backup of the file in main DCS folder (use the last one, if you have several backups). Just pick the files and drop them again into de installation.

 

S!

[MarcT-NL]

Yeah, I allways edit the .LUA's after an update. I know about that.

 

But anyway, I ran a repair and everything is fine now. Well... the canopy and air-levers I still had to fix again. Maybe next time.  I am starting to doubt if ED knows about this. They did some work to the P-51. Just not this ???

[grafspee]

31 minutes ago, MarcT-NL said:

Don't know what you're talking about. I have never lost bindings after an update before. Sure, the canopy and air-controls I had to redo after each update, but nothing else.es.

Sorry. Wasnt fully aware what happened to your setup until i saw your screenshot

[Ala13_ManOWar]

13 minutes ago, MarcT-NL said:

But anyway, I ran a repair and everything is fine now. Well... the canopy and air-levers I still had to fix again. Maybe next time.  I am starting to doubt if ED knows about this. They did some work to the P-51. Just not this ???

So, some file or something was missing. I've only had problems like that of "loosing" every key bind because I was messing around with MiG-21 three way switches I wanted. Whenever a change I made didn't work I loss every bind, but returning to previous file versions they were there again.

 

S!

[BM357_TinMan]

1. The post that is refered to as the "solution" is not any kind of solution so, please look into this
   1. The only "solution" I've found in this thread was posted by pmiceli on 4 June
2. This "solution", where the user goes into the lua to modify some text, may or may not actually be a solution.  Sure, the levers start moving in the cockpit again, but I'm not sure that the levers and the system that they are supposed to control are actually synced.

It seems that ED needs to put a little bit more effort into this issue if, for no other reason than to at least get the correct post highlighted and indicate whether or not any patch that has been released heretofore has applied this "solution".

[Art-J]

29 minutes ago, BM357_TinMan said:

1. This "solution", where the user goes into the lua to modify some text, may or may not actually be a solution.  Sure, the levers start moving in the cockpit again, but I'm not sure that the levers and the system that they are supposed to control are actually synced.

It seems that ED needs to put a little bit more effort into this issue if, for no other reason than to at least get the correct post highlighted and indicate whether or not any patch that has been released heretofore has applied this "solution".

 

By observing how engine MAP reacts to levers movement with and without pmicelli's .lua edits one can confirm the edits are indeed a solution.

 

I agree, however, it would be nice to see these controls issues fixed officially. There have been quite a few of them scattered all across various modules since 2.7 release and so far I've seen only the F-86 one being dealt with in one of recent patches. For all the rest, pmicelli's tweaks are still the only way to operate the aircraft properly.

Edited August 2, 2021 by Art-J

[grafspee]

Other way if someone don't want to edit any files, axis with modifier can be used for cold air axis input, so you can set RAM air w/o wasting axis on you controller.