Gunpods effectivity (SPPU-22)

[Boberro]

Hi,

 

I have to ask about gunpods for Su-25T. Why are they so weak? Are they so weak in real life too or only in game have lowered power against even trucks lol?

 

It is hard to destroy vehices, bah even in-built gun in Su-25T is stronger than gunpods...

[RvETito]

Simple- 23mm vs 30mm. The gunpods are useless against tanks but work pretty good versus light armor and trucks.

[159_Archer]

I just find them very inaccurate; Bit like using a blunderbuss against a fly...

 

Shame really, 'cos I like using these sorts of weapons and unguided rockets, -but if you have air-defences around, they are a bit impractical.

[RvETito]

I only use them with fixed barrels, can't fly the plane so precise to use automatic barrel deflection to locked by the laser point. Accuracy is pretty much the same is of the built-in cannon. It's fun to shoot both from it and the gunpods at the same time :D

[Case]

Simple- 23mm vs 30mm. The gunpods are useless against tanks but work pretty good versus light armor and trucks.

I think this is part of the issue, with the other part being that aiming in the Frog is quite a bit harder than in the Hog...

 

Make sure you trim your plane, setup the approach and don't fire from too far.

[RvETito]

Yeah of course, the much better flight modelling of Su-25(T) in LO makes straffing harder than the A-10 which is like flying on rails :)

[Boberro]

Thx for tips, but I still wonder why one pair (4 barrels) is so weak against vehicles, ok it is 23mm gun not 30 but still it throws so many bullets, also which aren't collected in one point but are diffusioned on small area ... , is it so weak IR too?

[Groove]

Strafing a vehicle will not always make it explode and burn, still the effects are scary.

 

Besides as the others said already, unload all G and use the rudder for proper accuracy :)

[Renato71]

They are shaking the aircraft too much to make them accurate, but then again they are not designed to be as accurate as onboard cannon. These gunpods are created for spraying the area filled with soft targets.

 

Thats what they are doing well, but they lack one important item - correct type of ammo. All ammo in LO is AP, and ther is no HE ammo for cannon. Thats why you need a direct hit, and thats what makes SPPU inneffective in LO. In real life, ammo for gunpod could consist out of mixed type of shells.

 

As for unguided rockets, all of them are modeled around one type of ammo - plain HE, no shrapnel effect. Again, you need a direct hit (with small caliber) or very close one (with larger caliber).

 

What is needed for 1.13 is ability to choose between two types of ammo for cannon, as I saw that it will be possible in DCS-BS.

 

Or at least to model an additional SPPU with HE ammo, as well as 57 and 80 mm pods.

[159th_Viper]

Hi,

 

I have to ask about gunpods for Su-25T. Why are they so weak? Are they so weak in real life too or only in game have lowered power against even trucks lol?

 

The Gunpods are very effective - probably many ways and means of getting the job done with them. I however find that engaging from Altitude at a steep dive gets the job done 99% of the time :)

 

 

 

Watch this track - Gunpods vs LAV-25'S. Works for me :)

Edited September 20, 2008 by 159th_Viper

[Boberro]

Yep, there is only one type of munition :(

[tflash]

You can use the Autopilot to fire the gunpods. Keep a low altitude (about 500 meters) lower the guns, lock target, then engage laserdesignator and only then engage AP. It will fly you exactly over target, just spray all bullets.

 

I set up a static target with some trucks etc. to practice, the effects are very nice!

 

If you put say 8 trucks near one another, you can shred them all in one pass.

[Renato71]

Yes, but try that in a more realistic setup, or on any a2g server, against a column moving along serpentine road... In a such setup, I can hit (and mostly destroy) average 4 vehicle in a single pass with GŠ-30, but average zilch with gunpods.

 

They are not effective in a serious LO mission. They are loaded with AP tracers, instead with ammo that is more suitable against soft vehicles. They are fun, and uguided 57-80 mm rockets are fun, but they are only that and nothing more.

 

PS - Powerpuff girls rock :D

[Peyoteros]

Dunno what are you talking about, gun pods rocks, they are accurate and deadly! You look for the explanation too far, problem is not with gun pods, problem is with you guys over squeezing the trigger, all you have to do is come in in descent speed, combat flaps ON, strictly NO air brakes!, squeeze the trigger for 0.5 second and any light armored vehicle or truck is history... Talking about 4 external and internal combined...

[tflash]

I wonder in what contexts these weapons are used IRL. I guess these gunpods feature in Chechen-style or Afghanistan-in-the-soviet-era style conflicts, against static soft targets and troop concentrations.

 

We simply do not really have the right type of targets in LO, like a group of militants defending a position, a technical vehicle, a militant camp etc. etc.

 

I agree against a moving column these gunpods are not a good choice.

[Peyoteros]

More likely is the hollywood movie influence, single pass and all enemy is gone... All comes with practicing... Thou tflash, you're right, gunpods better used against static targets...

Edited September 21, 2008 by Peyoteros

[tflash]

More likely is the hollywood movie influence, single pass and all enemy is gone... All comes with practicing...

 

:thumbup: It is also influenced by the game limitations. If IRL you fire rockets or a gunload to an advancing enemy group,

 

- they will at least halt;

- they will take hiding;

- they might even retreat to a previous position

 

REGARDLESS whether you actually made casualties or not.

 

In LO, you always need a hard kill. Imho the single most importa,t realism killer.

[159th_Viper]

Pointless attempting to compare RL with LockOn - Agree with tflash: LockOn Killed Realism a long time ago...........

 

When one understands that and gets to grip with the concept (from denial through to acceptance :P) then one actually begins to have more fun, albeit within the inherent constraints of the game/sim.

 

In the Sim - agree with Peyt (practice) and I'll say it again - Gunpods are deadly! In RL I somehow do not think that I'll get away with being able to open up on a convoy of LAV's in my T-Toad, said convoy moving or not............Ain't gonna happen! (not at present in any event)

[RvETito]

You wanna hear what's fun? Put 4 gunpods and go dogfight :D

[159th_Viper]

You wanna hear what's fun? Put 4 gunpods and go dogfight :D

 

Aye - It's called 'Hog-Hunting' :D

[Boberro]

I watched track, Viper, yeah but hitiing one target per run take really long time to destroy whole column :D, I am trying to do destroys most as possible per one pas, due of ammunition it isn't too effective ;]

[Case]

I agree against a moving column these gunpods are not a good choice.

 

Lucky for us there's a shit load of bridges on the map! :megalol:

[Boberro]

You wanna hear what's fun? Put 4 gunpods and go dogfight :D

 

 

Hahha i even tried long time ago but couldn't hit other plane lol ;]

[Case]

To be honest I don't quite agree with the gunpods being weak. I seem to recall taking out a bunch of M-1's on the =RvE= server the other day with Tito using two gunpods and the internal gun. As Peyo said, the trick is to fire only in short bursts, and let the change in yaw and pitch settle before the next bursts.

 

Admittedly this was using the vanilla 25, which handles a lot easier than the 25T and all other hardpoints were already empty...

 

But again, practice makes perfect, especially with the AFM.

[RvETito]

I remember that flight, Case. But I believe it was the internal gun that did the job, I've shot M-1's point blank with gunpods only and nothing. I made 3-4 passes on 1 tank with gunpods and it still stays.