AI MiG-21 is flaring when no countermeasures are loaded

[BurroHablando]

I build a mission with two AI MiG-21s giving support on ground attack. The planes are loaded with 8 Fab-100 and 2 UB-16 Rocket Pods. Even though the ASO-2 and the SPS-141 pod are not loaded, the moment the MiGs get targeted by enemy manpad, they start flaring.

 

If necessary I can provide the mission, but would have to modify it. It contains soundfiles and pictures and is bigger than the size limit given by the forum.

[Tarres]

It’s a known issue from the beginning.

The lua file that defines the 21bis (leftover from when the 21 was a mod for the Lomac) has 2 lines with the number of flares and chaff available for the IA 21 no matter if the SPS-141 or the wrongly named aso-2 (in reality a mixed chaff/flare experimental Yugoslavian pod) are present via the ME.

Even the radar associated with the IA 21 is the radar of the 23MLD IA from ED.

Lines that define the correct radar (the radar defined by M3 for the 21 “player” or “client”) are commented and inactive.

 

Edited July 9, 2021 by Tarres

[dorianR666]

as said above, ai aircraft are incapable of using countermeasure pods. this limitation of dcs engine affects viggen and mirage too.

[streakeagle]

So how do we set the AI to have no chaff or flares to represent MiGs from the Vietnam and Arab-Israeli wars?

[razo+r]

Maybe there's an option to prevent the use of counter measures in the advanced waypoint options? 

[rossmum]

I think there is, yeah.

[Northstar98]

I think the real solution here is for DCS' AI to recognise countermeasure dispenser pods and for their countermeasures in general (including release programs, and dispenser locations) to be synced with player aircraft where applicable.

On 11/19/2021 at 12:06 AM, razo+r said:

Maybe there's an option to prevent the use of counter measures in the advanced waypoint options? 

Yes there is, it's under Set Option -> Chaff and Flare using, with the options being never, use against fired missile, when flying in SAM WEZ and when near enemies.

Edited November 21, 2021 by Northstar98

[Rolds]

This problem still exists on October 26, 2024, and the advanced waypoint options idea does not stop Mig 21 (or other AI aircraft) from using flares even when they have none aboard.

 

When people talk about fixing core game mechanics, this is exactly what they mean. @BIGNEWY How can such a basic problem last for years without being fixed?

Edited October 26, 2024 by Rolds