correct as is Smerch MLRS before and now?

[pepin1234]

Today I was testing both versions of Smerch. Before we used to have a 90km range fragmentation rockets. Now after the introduction of new HE rockets the old fragmentation version have been downgraded to 70km range. So instead to improve Smerch the new rocket brought less range and removed the 90km longer range rocket fragmentation head.

 

when Hawk SAM was improved with new units and new missiles the new missiles actually have twice range.

 

Now you introduced new rockets for Smerch and we get the contrary. Less range and downgraded capability... There is a reason for that?? Smerch have IRL a rocket that reach 90km and you removed that rocket range. 

 

See track Smerch CM rocket unit doesnt want to fire because range was exceded 70km

Smerch missile shorter range.trk

[pepin1234]

9m528 ROCKET WITH 90Km range is made is Russia. Seem to be a production post Soviet Union so Ukraine probably don't have this longer range rocket

[Mausar]

Smerch and other launchers of that type, when missiles hit their target area is a FPS killer in VR so I don't use them. A little off topic. 

[Northstar98]

According to this, the submunition dispensing rocket (presumably the 9M55K5, though it applies to all 9M55 rockets), do in fact have a maximum range of 70km.

 

The Smerch HE, is presumably the 9M528, which should have a 90km range.

 

The problem though is that here DCS is really bad at telling what you what the actual rocket is - instead only referring to them as SMERCH (for the submunition dispensing version) and SMERCH HE (for the high-explosive version).

 

Also why are they 2 separate units? Why isn't the unit just configurable in the loadout editor?

[pepin1234]

The thread have been marked as correct as it is without have account of 9M528 rocket with 90km range. Only used by Russians units. That’s not fair. 
 

As they improved Hawk Sam to an incredible 45km range how dare they downgrade the Russians made improvements. 
 

Smerch MLRS used the 90km range before in DCS and now we find that downgrade range to the Soviets made rocket while we are facing Aim-9X and more modernized weapons.

Edited July 10, 2021 by pepin1234

[Northstar98]

1 hour ago, pepin1234 said:

The thread have been marked as correct as it is without have account of 9M528 rocket with 90km range. Only used by Russians units. That’s not fair.

 

You said that the frag rockets (presumably the submunition dispensing kind), have been reduced to 70km - this is in fact accurate.

 

The HE version should have 90km, provided it's the 9M528, but we don't know, because DCS' naming system leaves a lot to be desired.

 

1 hour ago, pepin1234 said:

As they improved Hawk Sam to an incredible 45km range how dare they downgrade the Russians made improvements.

 

The MIM-23B does have a range of 45km (obviously dependent on a whole load of things).

 

1 hour ago, pepin1234 said:

Smerch MLRS used the 90km range before in DCS and now we find that downgrade range to the Soviets made rocket while we are facing Aim-9X and more modernized weapons.

 

That's because before, the submunition dispensing rocket was overperforming - it's maximum range is 70km.

[pepin1234]

No you are wrong. How come you can tell a weapon is overperformed. What is your proof to tell Russian rocket version 9M528 is overperformed? Before Smerch systems were used a 90km rocket version in DCS.  
 

now they name two versions with CM (cluster munitions) and the other with HE (high explosive) and suddenly they remove the 90km rocket to put instead old versions with 70km. Those rockets are Ukrainian stock old Soviets versions. How come they want to put Russia in the same level of Ukranian systems? The Russian actually developed an even longer version with 120km range and the Admins here wanted to set old Soviets versions for Russians as "Correct as it is"??

[Northstar98]

1 hour ago, pepin1234 said:

No you are wrong. How come you can tell a weapon is overperformed. What is your proof to tell Russian rocket version 9M528 is overperformed? Before Smerch systems were used a 90km rocket version in DCS.

 

Yes, and seeing as those rockets weren't the 9M528 (instead a 9M55 variant) the 70km range is accurate from what I can find - at least for the submunition dispensing version.

 

We didn't have the 9M528 before and AFAIK that should have a 90km range. If the SMERCH HE is that rocket (we can't tell, because of how DCS names stuff), then that should have a 90km maximum range.

Edited July 10, 2021 by Northstar98

[pepin1234]

They should remove Su-30 and Su-34 AI from DCS and then set this action as "correct as it is” then as those fighters are Russian made new versions and they wanted to put everything old to Russia in DCS

Edited July 10, 2021 by pepin1234

[Silver_Dragon]

ED only have a 9M55 rocket for a HE version and a 9N235 submunition for a 9M55K rocket disperser, missing yet on DCS directories. I think ED has actually build the 9M55K as a build the MLRS M26 rocket with detachable submunition doors as a CBU/RBK animation. Meanwhile, Chizh on the russian forum has talked of configurable ammo on vehicles has on hold yet.

Edited July 10, 2021 by Silver_Dragon

[pepin1234]

2 hours ago, Shadow KT said:

Not worth repeating yourself, he is not capable of understanding.

your disrespectful post about I am not able to understand was reported and seem everything will remain all right with your post. It is not about been able to understand what you want to the whole people understand. It is a debate. If you want the whole community have the same ideas and point of views then we are in the wrong direction here.
 

it is clear. Before Smerch was with 90km range in DCS and the cluster effect was added latter. Was no name on that rocket other than Smerch without classification. Before was a kind of dispersed fragmentation. If they want to improve different warhead that is ok. But take the early DCS 90km and convert it to and old Soviet cluster effect or HE effect with less range than before is not clear. Because is known the longer 90km range is a Russian post Soviet Era version and remove it to invent two different old Soviet versions in favor of who?

 

if we got Su-30 and Su-34 as AI and they are Russian post Soviets production. Why the post Soviet Russian made 90km range was removed instead to make the right HE Fragmentation they added a HE with 70km as a Soviet rocket unique in Russian stock that is false. They have change or new made the majority of their munitions. The same for Bombers bombs and missiles there are some improvements new versions in Russian side. The fact is that the 90km range was changed to the old Soviet made such rockets remain in stock in Ukraine and some others countries with copies.

Edited July 10, 2021 by pepin1234