Still no trim

[brettt777]

Since that last update, I've been having trim issues with most of my planes. (P-51, P-47, Spitfire, F-5E, F-14, F-15, F-16, FA-18, A-10C, L-39, AV-8, AJS-37, MiG-21, M-2000, F-86) So far, the only two planes that have pitch trim that actually works are the F-16 and FA-18. Everything else has no pitch trim and most of those have no trim at all. Some do have aileron and rudder trim. Thing is, I was looking at a few of them the other night; P-51, P-47, Spitfire, a couple others... and you could see the trim tab moving on the elevator but it had absolutely no affect on the flight model. Someone mentioned the other day that this might be an old bug that has resurfaced where the trim doesn't function if a FFB is used. I do have a FFB joystick. I will dig out my old Saitek Cyborg and see what happens. But it still needs to be addressed. It wasn't like this before that last update.

Edited September 8, 2021 by brettt777

[Gumbie]

You may need to reset the Key binding due to windows assigning buttons numbers but the game says it something else so they don't work this seems to happen to me often when they change or add anything in Key binding.                 

 

Also make just double check and make sure you have the right trim if its a Axis Button the Trim has to be set in Axis, now if your using 2 Buttons for Trim up and down they can be set anyway.

[brettt777]

7 hours ago, Gumbie said:

You may need to reset the Key binding due to windows assigning buttons numbers but the game says it something else so they don't work this seems to happen to me often when they change or add anything in Key binding.                 

 

Also make just double check and make sure you have the right trim if its a Axis Button the Trim has to be set in Axis, now if your using 2 Buttons for Trim up and down they can be set anyway.

The keys and axis are all set correctly. When I move the elevator trim axis, I can see the trim wheel in the cockpit moving in the correct direction. I can also see the trim tab on the elevator moving in the correct direction. That's what is so frustrating about this. It isn't my setup. The trim tab on the plane moves like it's suppose to on the P-51, P-47, Spitfire, whatever. My inputs are doing what they're suppose to do. It's a problem with DCS.

[brettt777]

Okay, so I plugged my old Saitek Cyborg in and tried a few planes. All trim functions appear to work. So maybe there is a bug that's been reintroduced with this latest update where some trim functions don't work if a FFB joystick is used. Great. What do I do now? I most certainly do not want to give up my G940. I absolutely do want FFB, especially with the older planes that don't have hydraulic flight controls. Why would you not want FFB? You have a much better feel of the airplane.

 

Hey, Eagle Dynamics, you listening? This needs to be fixed! I never had this issue until this latest update.

[Flappie]

45 minutes ago, brettt777 said:

Hey, Eagle Dynamics, you listening? This needs to be fixed! I never had this issue until this latest update.

Why would the G940 support suddenly end? You're the only one here complaining about an issue with the G940. Have you ensured your trim inputs are recognized in the Controls options?

Have you ensured your trim controls are not affected in the UI Layer category? (if they are, you won't be able to use them for any aircraft)

[Gumbie]

I have G940 and mine still seems to be working fine but I have not tried all the planes you have listed just a few like A 10 and 109 an had no issues,  not saying that this is not a issue but I am not having the same effect.

 

I own a ton of joysticks from G940, Tm Warthog, even WinWing Taurus so I try to help out when people have joystick issues sense I have so much experience with them not saying that I know everything there is to learn but I can test to confirm bug report on joysticks.

 

Again not saying this isn't a Bug I just cannot get the same results,  try another game if you can and just make sure the Axis are working which I am sure they are but just make sure that nothing inside the joystick itself hasn't changed.  (example   have a pair of Satiek Combat pedals where working fine but today the right break pedal will activate when I push the rudder right due to a wire working itself loose)

 

An if the joystick is working fine then double check Key bindings and make sure that the Trim binding your setting to accept Axis Dcs has known issues of not being able to set a Axis to every button that could use one.    ( WinWing has option that lets me change Axis into Single button push's which lets me work around this.   So I do not get this effect very often at all due to this sweet function.

 

Hope some of my ramblings helps you an if there anything else you need help with always ask in forums we have some great people who are always willing to try and help others with issues. 

[MAXsenna]

Okay, so I plugged my old Saitek Cyborg in and tried a few planes. All trim functions appear to work. So maybe there is a bug that's been reintroduced with this latest update where some trim functions don't work if a FFB joystick is used. Great. What do I do now? I most certainly do not want to give up my G940. I absolutely do want FFB, especially with the older planes that don't have hydraulic flight controls. Why would you not want FFB? You have a much better feel of the airplane.
 
Hey, Eagle Dynamics, you listening? This needs to be fixed! I never had this issue until this latest update.

I have an MS SW FFB2, and I think I actually had some issues with trimming a while ago. Might be able to check later today, to see if I remember correctly/remember the fix.
Cheers

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[brettt777]

18 hours ago, Flappie said:

Why would the G940 support suddenly end? You're the only one here complaining about an issue with the G940. Have you ensured your trim inputs are recognized in the Controls options?

Have you ensured your trim controls are not affected in the UI Layer category? (if they are, you won't be able to use them for any aircraft)

So, nobody else is having this issue so I should just shut up about it? 

 

13 hours ago, Gumbie said:

I have G940 and mine still seems to be working fine but I have not tried all the planes you have listed just a few like A 10 and 109 an had no issues,  not saying that this is not a issue but I am not having the same effect.

 

I own a ton of joysticks from G940, Tm Warthog, even WinWing Taurus so I try to help out when people have joystick issues sense I have so much experience with them not saying that I know everything there is to learn but I can test to confirm bug report on joysticks.

 

Again not saying this isn't a Bug I just cannot get the same results,  try another game if you can and just make sure the Axis are working which I am sure they are but just make sure that nothing inside the joystick itself hasn't changed.  (example   have a pair of Satiek Combat pedals where working fine but today the right break pedal will activate when I push the rudder right due to a wire working itself loose)

 

An if the joystick is working fine then double check Key bindings and make sure that the Trim binding your setting to accept Axis Dcs has known issues of not being able to set a Axis to every button that could use one.    ( WinWing has option that lets me change Axis into Single button push's which lets me work around this.   So I do not get this effect very often at all due to this sweet function.

 

Hope some of my ramblings helps you an if there anything else you need help with always ask in forums we have some great people who are always willing to try and help others with issues. 

Like I said a couple times before, I can see the trim button or the trim wheel moving in the cockpit of whatever aircraft I'm in. I can see the horizontal stab move when I adjust the trim. I can see the trim tabs on the P-47 and P-51 moving when I move my trim wheel. But with this particular joystick, when I do that even in flight, it has no affect on the flight model of the aircraft. Most of the time I need to trim the aircraft down. So I move the trim wheel in the appropriate direction and I see the trim tab on the elevator move in an upward direction which should put downforce on the elevator. But the aircraft still wants to pitch up. In the jets, when I set the trim before takeoff, I can see the horizontal stab moving appropriately, but then when I get airborne it still wants to pitch up and the stick is pushing against me when I try to trim down, like the trim is having no effect whatsoever. When I was trying all the jets several nights ago, the FA-18 and F-16 seemed to work, but the F-86, F-14, F-5 and maybe the A-10 all wanted to pitch up... allot.... no matter where the trim was. Then when I tried the WWII planes the other night, they all wanted to pitch up no matter where the trim was. Then I tried a different non-FFB joystick last night and all planes seemed to work okay. And also once again, this problem is new. It seemed to start right after the last update. I will go through all my planes tonight and try them again with a different FFB joystick (MS SW FFB2) and also with the 940 again. 

One other thing, the G940 works fine in FSX, MSFS2020 and P3D.

[Art-J]

A shot in the dark - game flight mode turned on after the latest update? This one is known to have trims animated, but not affecting the flight.

Edited September 10, 2021 by Art-J

[brettt777]

23 hours ago, Art-J said:

A shot in the dark - game flight mode turned on after the latest update? This one is known to have trims animated, but not affecting the flight.

 

Okay, now I am understanding what you mean. I will check that. I only have one controller plugged in. Nothing else. Interesting... last night, I plugged in a different FFB joystick and tried a number of planes. A few of them actually worked. But most of them worked backwards, i.e. the pitch trim switch operated the aileron trim. There didn't seem to be any rhyme or reason as to which ones worked and which ones didn't, unless it was planes from certain developers.

Then, when I plugged the G940 back in and tried it again, the trim in the F-14 worked.... kind of. It went in the right direction and would affect the flight model, but it was really twitchy and had to be retrimmed constantly. And, it would have weird FFB inputs that just seemed to occur randomly. I have no idea what was going on.

Anyway, I will check on that game flight mode.

[MAXsenna]

Okay, now I am understanding what you mean. I will check that. I only have one controller plugged in. Nothing else. Interesting... last night, I plugged in a different FFB joystick and tried a number of planes. A few of them actually worked. But most of them worked backwards, i.e. the pitch trim switch operated the aileron trim. There didn't seem to be any rhyme or reason as to which ones worked and which ones didn't, unless it was planes from certain developers.
Then, when I plugged the G940 back in and tried it again, the trim in the F-14 worked.... kind of. It went in the right direction and would affect the flight model, but it was really twitchy and had to be retrimmed constantly. And, it would have weird FFB inputs that just seemed to occur randomly. I have no idea what was going on.
Anyway, I will check on that game flight mode.

If the trim works on the wrong axis, you probably need to "swap" axis under the FFB settings for the "faulty" modules.
I have to do that for every module for my MS FFB2. Before they fixed it, I even had to reverse both Z and Y as well in the Hind.

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[brettt777]

On 9/11/2021 at 5:31 AM, MAXsenna said:

If the trim works on the wrong axis, you probably need to "swap" axis under the FFB settings for the "faulty" modules.
I have to do that for every module for my MS FFB2. Before they fixed it, I even had to reverse both Z and Y as well in the Hind.

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Well, like I said, it only appeared to happen with the MS SW FFB2. The G940 goes the correct way, when it works. I just don't see how it could possibly be a joystick issue when I can move the elevator trim wheel while in flight and I can see the trim tab on the elevator of my P-51 moving in the correct direction, but it has absolutely no affect on the flight of the airplane. And again, this is a recent development. A week or so back when I first noticed this issue was the first time I had flown anything in DCS since before this last update. And just to be double sure, I went over to P3D V4.5 and V5 and flew a few planes and the trim worked perfectly.

[Ironhand]

16 hours ago, brettt777 said:

…I can move the elevator trim wheel while in flight and I can see the trim tab on the elevator of my P-51 moving in the correct direction, but it has absolutely no affect on the flight of the airplane…

If that’s the case, then the issue isn’t your joystick. It may, however, rest with your installation. Have you tried doing a “slow” repair? If it were DCS per se, people would be screaming from the rooftops. I’ve flown (briefly) since the last update without issues.

[brettt777]

On 9/13/2021 at 2:21 PM, Ironhand said:

If that’s the case, then the issue isn’t your joystick. It may, however, rest with your installation. Have you tried doing a “slow” repair? If it were DCS per se, people would be screaming from the rooftops. I’ve flown (briefly) since the last update without issues.

Do you have a FFB Joystick?