DCS AJS 37 Viggen SPA + MÅL + TV fix ain't working

[isglas]

Hear is a vidio of me showcasing the problem. You cant comferm a tv fix in SPA + Mål mode

[Machalot]

Can you explain what buttons you are pushing when the grid is blinking on and off the CI, and what you are expecting to happen? 

It seems like maybe you are never returning the trigger to T0.  The sequence for a fix should be, starting with the trigger out (T0 position):

1. Begin fix [trigger first detent, T1]

2. Slew cursor to target [radar stick] 

3. Designate fix point [trigger second detent, TV]

4. Complete fix [release trigger, T0]

You are also able to continue slewing while the trigger is fully depressed in TV, but I don't know if that's realistic. 

Edited December 15, 2021 by Machalot

[isglas]

3 hours ago, Machalot said:

Can you explain what buttons you are pushing when the grid is blinking on and off the CI, and what you are expecting to happen? 

It seems like maybe you are never returning the trigger to T0.  The sequence for a fix should be, starting with the trigger out (T0 position):

1. Begin fix [trigger first detent, T1]

2. Slew cursor to target [radar stick] 

3. Designate fix point [trigger second detent, TV]

4. Complete fix [release trigger, T0]

You are also able to continue slewing while the trigger is fully depressed in TV, but I don't know if that's realistic. 

 

When it were blinking was I just spamming the TV fix button. I were expecting the grid to come back in a solid form as in this video at 1:29, if you start at 1:09 you will understand

 

[Machalot]

Yeah, you need to hit T0 to complete the fix.  That is the equivalent of releasing the trigger.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Machalot

[isglas]

On 12/15/2021 at 11:56 PM, Machalot said:

Yeah, you need to hit T0 to complete the fix.  That is the equivalent of releasing the trigger.

 

Dose not work

[Machalot]

1 minute ago, isglas said:

Dose not work

What do you expect to happen to show that it works?  And what actually happens?

[TOViper]

He Machalot!
Yesterday I noticed that normal nav fixes or target fixes (either with or without radar) also require T0 button to be pressed after TV button was released.
If T0 is not pressed finally, the fix seems not to complete.

HB changed this intentionally or problem here on my machine?
I am using Warthog Stick, 3 buttons: one for T0, one for T1, and another one for TV

[QuiGon]

59 minutes ago, TOViper said:

I am using Warthog Stick, 3 buttons: one for T0, one for T1, and another one for TV

If you're using the Warthog you can just use the trigger on the stick, just like in the real jet:
First stage: T1
Second stage: TV
Releasing: T0

Edited December 28, 2021 by QuiGon

[Machalot]

3 hours ago, TOViper said:

HB changed this intentionally or problem here on my machine?

Not sure. I have always done this (hit T0 after a fix) out of habit.  I'll ask.

[Machalot]

20 hours ago, TOViper said:

HB changed this intentionally or problem here on my machine?

Other people I have asked say this has changed recently.  I have always hit T0 at the end of the fix process anyway, assuming I had to "release the trigger", so I haven't noticed the change.

Edited December 29, 2021 by Machalot

[QuiGon]

1 hour ago, Machalot said:

Other people I have asked say this has changed recently.  I have always hit T0 at the end of the fix process anyway, assuming I had to "release the trigger", so I haven't noticed the change.

But did anything happen when you pressed T0 at the end of the fix (before the update)? Because the way I understand it is, that pressing T0 at the end of the fix (after TV) did not do anything, as pressing TV already completed the fix.

Now with the new update it sounds like you actually need to press T0 to commit the fix to the nav system. That's just what I heard though, as I wasn't able to test it myself yet.

Edited December 29, 2021 by QuiGon

[TOViper]

40 minutes ago, QuiGon said:

1 But did anything happen when you pressed T0 at the end of the fix (before the update)?
2 Because the way I understand it is, that pressing T0 at the end of the fix (after TV) did not do anything, as pressing TV already completed the fix.
3 Now with the new update it sounds like you actually need to press T0 to commit the fix to the nav system.

1. no, not for me using my 3-separate-button-config; I am using the commands "T0 Fix", "T1 Fix", "TV Fix"; therefore I am not using any of "T0 (three position switch)" or the "T1 Fix Two-stage trigger middle position" or the "TV Three position switch)
2. yep, right
3. yep, right
 

[Machalot]

6 hours ago, QuiGon said:

But did anything happen when you pressed T0 at the end of the fix (before the update)? Because the way I understand it is, that pressing T0 at the end of the fix (after TV) did not do anything, as pressing TV already completed the fix.

Now with the new update it sounds like you actually need to press T0 to commit the fix to the nav system. That's just what I heard though, as I wasn't able to test it myself yet.

 

My memory could be faulty about T0 before the update. After our discord discussion I'm convinced you have it right. 

[Machalot]

This new requirement to press T0 to capture the fix actually breaks the visual fix behavior.  When you pass over a point and hit TV, it continuously updates the fix position while you fly on, only capturing it when you again hit T0.

[QuiGon]

6 hours ago, Machalot said:

This new requirement to press T0 to capture the fix actually breaks the visual fix behavior.  When you pass over a point and hit TV, it continuously updates the fix position while you fly on, only capturing it when you again hit T0.

I thought that same issue also exists for radar fixes, where the it continuously fixes the posiution when you fly on after pressing TV until you complete it by pressing T0.
So for both, radar fixes and visual fixes, the fix in the current OB version is actually conducted by pressing T0 instead of TV.

[Machalot]

10 hours ago, QuiGon said:

I thought that same issue also exists for radar fixes, where the it continuously fixes the posiution when you fly on after pressing TV until you complete it by pressing T0.
So for both, radar fixes and visual fixes, the fix in the current OB version is actually conducted by pressing T0 instead of TV.

But I think the radar cursor is ground stabilized in certain conditions, isn't it?  Maybe I'm misremembering.

[Nealius]

Does the three-position keybind for T0 not work? I set T1 to the first stage of my trigger (2-stage middle position), TV "three position" to the second stage of my trigger, but upon release T0 doesn't get flagged in the commands menu. Unlike the A0/1/2 switch I can't confirm visual movement.

Edited December 31, 2021 by Nealius