Map Performance

[Holbeach]

14 hours ago, Joe1978 said:

Thanks for the report Holbeach but IMHO, lowering the textures is just a "warm cloth", a bad arrangement...

Two years have passed and to this day it is still the worst performing map in all DCS and it remains unfixed. 

 

There is no bug report on this matter and no comeback from the Devs, so it's likely to remain unfixed and I don't intend to sit on my hands waiting for something to happen.

A warm cloth is better than 20 fps and if it takes a reduction to get my fav map moving, then that's what I'll do to carry on enjoying it.

Apart from that bug and the slow rebuilding of Terrain Textures following F10, I don't find its performance at all bad.

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[Joe1978]

Obviously there is nothing wrong with lowering the textures, but I meant that the real solution lies on the developer side.

About the problem report: It is reported in this thread and as you can see, only the computers with a huge amount of vram/ram available are the ones that have improved their performance.

8/jun/22 

 

Edited September 6, 2024 by Joe1978

[Holbeach]

It's under 'VR performance' from 2 years ago, (no wonder I couldn't find it) and the reply from Spectre inferred that you should buy a bigger GPU to fix it.

The one that Biggus has just bumped, has no reply at all.

So from over 2 years ago, it still hasn't been fixed.

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[Joe1978]

IMHO This proves two things:;

1. The developers never bothered to investigate the problem

2. Spectre's response only shows a lack of interest in their product and little respect for those who paid for what was at the time the most expensive map in DCS.

PD Excuse my tone, but after two years I have the right to be very angry with RZ

[Biggus]

There's a third possibility - there's no fix for it, or there's a fix that requires ED to do something in the way that they build or stream textures and ED aren't prioritising it.

That survey a few months back about the look and feel of the map, I can't help but wonder whether this issue was a factor in prompting the question.

 

I'm at the point where I'm wondering about two things:

Does this issue exist on Kola, and is Razbam/ED willing to process refunds for people still experiencing this bug after so many years?

[demonesque]

@Biggus I haven't heard anywhere of it happening on the Kola map. But that map was made by Orbix anyway wasn't it?

[MAXsenna]

@Biggus I haven't heard anywhere of it happening on the Kola map. But that map was made by Orbix anyway wasn't it?

Yes, but "same team" as SA map to my knowledge.

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[Joe1978]

Kola has a performance more similar to the rest of the maps in DCS.

Even Marianas has improved its performance over time.

It turns out that this map has gotten worse with each update. In fact, most of the work has been focused on art instead of fixing this, and the more details at ground level, the worsens the effect we are discussing since the data load increases.

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[MAXsenna]

Kola has a performance more similar to the rest of the maps in DCS.

Even Marianas has improved its performance over time.

It turns out that this map has gotten worse with each update. In fact, most of the work has been focused on art instead of fixing this, and the more details at ground level, the worsens the effect we are discussing since the data load increases.

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You say that performance on the SA map has deteriorated for you? For me it has improved. Go figure.
Cheers!

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[Beirut]

2 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

You say that performance on the SA map has deteriorated for you? For me it has improved. Go figure.
Cheers!

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I just had a great flight on the SA map and was very happy with the eye-candy and the performance was solid. Did some mach loop stuff, flew low enough to cut the grass, and the FPS just rocked along. 

 

Defintely one of my favourite maps.

[Joe1978]

hace 2 horas, MAXsenna dijo:

You say that performance on the SA map has deteriorated for you? For me it has improved. Go figure.
Cheers!

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In VR and below 800/900 f., it still has abrupt drops in FPS and jerks that other maps do not have, reaching 20fps in some airfields.

My guess is that the map below that altitude loads a lot of textures, thus saturating the Vram/Ram. If we add ground units, etc... and with Helos it's a nightmare.

Don't get me wrong, the map has a lot of potential (although 80% of it is ocean). It's just that RZ's attitude after two years and the updates, in my case, have not left the performance at the level of other DSC maps (always speaking in VR).

[MAXsenna]

In VR and below 800/900 f., it still has abrupt drops in FPS and jerks that other maps do not have, reaching 20fps in some airfields.
My guess is that the map below that altitude loads a lot of textures, thus saturating the Vram/Ram. If we add ground units, etc... and with Helos it's a nightmare.
Don't get me wrong, the map has a lot of potential (although 80% of it is ocean). It's just that RZ's attitude after two years and the updates, in my case, have not left the performance at the level of other DSC maps (always speaking in VR).

Could be true. When 2.9 dropped DCS crashed when compiling shaders on my two Titans (7xx) in SLI. So I was forced to get a second hand 2080Ti. My computer is 11+ years old, and I get a steady 40+ FPS, which I personally is happy about on they map. Even in the Phantom. ALL settings maxed and ultra shadows. Sometimes they will dip into the 20s looking at a "city", while they will eventually bounce up. So I do agree it's something about the textures. I haven't tested the missions proved going through the 900" layer yet though.
I think ALL textures throughout DCS needs some optimisation, if you ask me.

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[Holbeach]

1 hour ago, Beirut said:

 

I just had a great flight on the SA map and was very happy with the eye-candy and the performance was solid. Did some mach loop stuff, flew low enough to cut the grass, and the FPS just rocked along. 

 

Defintely one of my favourite maps.

If you were to take whatever frame rate you are experiencing and as you descend through 900' AGL anywhere on the map, it dropped to 20fps instantly and stayed there until you climb through 900' AGL, where your frame rate recovers, then that is what some people are experiencing, not just a poor frame rate per se.

To make it worse, it doesn't happen all the time.

 

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[Beirut]

3 minutes ago, Holbeach said:

If you were to take whatever frame rate you are experiencing and as you descend through 900' AGL anywhere on the map, it dropped to 20fps instantly and stayed there until you climb through 900' AGL, where your frame rate recovers, then that is what some people are experiencing, not just a poor frame rate per se.

To make it worse, it doesn't happen all the time.

 

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I've had bad experiences on the map, great big fat hits on the frame rate down low, but lately it's been fine. I'll give it a torture test and see how bad I can make it.

[Joe1978]

I think ALL textures throughout DCS needs some optimisation, if you ask me.

100% MAXSenna

As I said with my 3080,+64g Ram. Usually DCS uses 10g Vram and around 24 to 30 g Ram all time and I have seen until 40g.




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[Holbeach]

38 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

I've had bad experiences on the map, great big fat hits on the frame rate down low, but lately it's been fine. I'll give it a torture test and see how bad I can make it.

It's easy for me to do.

All setting on Max and it sometimes occures.

Unit Texture to Medium and it NEVER occurs, no matter how much I torture it.

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[Beirut]

1 hour ago, Holbeach said:

It's easy for me to do.

All setting on Max and it sometimes occures.

Unit Texture to Medium and it NEVER occurs, no matter how much I torture it.

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I'm flying in pancake mode, not VR. But I'm getting solid FPS.

 

Is it worse depending on where you are on the map?

[Biggus]

For me, it's consistent.  Everywhere on the map I get a large drop in frame rate as I descend below 900ft AGL.  It's gotten better for me in the last few patches, but it's still not quite usable consistently.  Typically I'll have 80+ fps at altitude and down under 900 I'll be down to high 30s on an otherwise empty map.

[Beirut]

40 minutes ago, Biggus said:

For me, it's consistent.  Everywhere on the map I get a large drop in frame rate as I descend below 900ft AGL.  It's gotten better for me in the last few patches, but it's still not quite usable consistently.  Typically I'll have 80+ fps at altitude and down under 900 I'll be down to high 30s on an otherwise empty map.

 

Are you in VR?

 

Because I've had several pancake mode flights today in all kinds of weather, different planes, all altitudes, and I'm not getting those FPS like I was a few months back. 

[Biggus]

5 hours ago, Beirut said:

 

Are you in VR?

 

Because I've had several pancake mode flights today in all kinds of weather, different planes, all altitudes, and I'm not getting those FPS like I was a few months back. 

It happens in both but I'm mostly flatscreen.

[Holbeach]

Here's a reminder of what a 50 frame ball drop looks like.

70 down to 20 in an instant.

 

 

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[Biggus]

And when you pull up and pass 900, the frame rate comes back just as quickly.

[Holbeach]

46 minutes ago, Biggus said:

And when you pull up and pass 900, the frame rate comes back just as quickly.

Correct, but now with Unit Textures reduced to Medium, that bug never occurs and I can't tell the difference in quality.

Here is my AA practice mission as it stands and used this morning.

Shoot the Bears and with the remaining ammo, just run amock. Land at Stanley

Frames on the runway are 54.

 

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Falkland AA .miz

[Biggus]

Like I said a page or so ago, dropping texture quality didn't help me.  But more power to you that you've got acceptable performance with that change.

[Beirut]

Just did a series of completely unscientific tests over Stanley and only got a frame drop of 50% in the Phantom, and not even every flight in the Phantom.

 

F-14, F15E, F-16, F-18, maybe a 10% drop here and there between the clouds and the dirt. And then I fly the Phantom and get the same 10% drop in the exact same place I got the 50% drop several flights back.

 

Fortunetaly this is an enjoyable task for an early Sunday morning with my coffee and I'll try it some more.