Tried different MFD exports

[jonsky7]

There's 4 files in the indicator folder, and in the indicator folder is another folder called LCD, in that folder those files are repeated, if I'm remembering their filenames correctly.

So two sets of pilot, and two sets of cpg

Edited March 18, 2022 by jonsky7

[TAIPAN_]

32 minutes ago, jonsky7 said:

There's 4 files in the indicator folder, and in the indicator folder is another folder called LCD, in that folder those files are repeated, if I'm remembering their filenames correctly.

So two sets of pilot, and two sets of cpg

 

Yeah I've tried all of them, even commented out every single viewport line except for the pilot ones..

It stubbornly puts the CPG MFDs into the allocated position for LEFT_MFCD and RIGHT_MFCD no matter what we do.

Even switched up the order in the MonitorConfig, doesn't seem to matter which comes first..

[Bunny Clark]

At this point, I think we need to wait for ED to fix it. 

The bigger question is, how does this work long term? Is it possible to know which seat you're in and only feed monitors to your screens from that seat? How does that work with things like the TEDAC, the KU screen, and EUFD? It'd be nice not to have to swap out monitor configs to switch seats...

[Hobel]

All Setting 1.lua Monitor Config
Do not forget to specify your parrameters.

 

MPD_LCD_Cpg_Left.luaMPD_LCD_Plt_Right.luaMPD_LCD_Plt_Left.luaMPD_LCD_Cpg_Right.lua

put this in : DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\AH-64D\Cockpit\Scripts\Displays\MFD\indicator\LCD

 

 

 

 

MFD_cpg_right_init.luaMFD_cpg_left_init.lua

MFD_plt_left_init.luaMFD_plt_right_init.lua

an this in : D:\DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\AH-64D\Cockpit\Scripts\Displays\MFD\indicator

 

 

 

example i can put all 4 MFDs where i want them

 

 

And the most important it does not come into conflict with other modules and it passes the IC

now I look if it is possible that when you change the seat also only these screens are displayed

 

 

And that is what is wanted here, or?

Edited March 18, 2022 by Hobel

[Hobel]

14 minutes ago, Mnemonic said:

Would be great to place both Left and Right MFDs on the same physical MFDs (same region), then when one switches between Pilot / CPG - proper MFDs would be rendered.

Also, could you please share .lua for TEDAC screen?

 

Exactly, but the MFDs still overlaps.
I'm trying to figure out that DCS can distinguish between pilot and co-pilot. and show us the correct MFDs.

[sobe]

For the time being, I have left my Helios profile such that in the CPG seat, my second screen has the CPG MFDs and TMU.  In the pilot seat, I have to use the MFDs from the game cockpit with zoomed snap views making them more readable and usable.

[TAIPAN_]

1 hour ago, Hobel said:

All Setting 1.lua Monitor Config
Do not forget to specify your parrameters.

 

MPD_LCD_Cpg_Left.lua 235 B · 4 downloads MPD_LCD_Plt_Right.lua 236 B · 3 downloads MPD_LCD_Plt_Left.lua 235 B · 3 downloads MPD_LCD_Cpg_Right.lua 238 B · 3 downloads

put this in : DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\AH-64D\Cockpit\Scripts\Displays\MFD\indicator\LCD

 

 

 

 

MFD_cpg_right_init.lua 725 B · 2 downloads MFD_cpg_left_init.lua 721 B · 2 downloads

MFD_plt_left_init.lua 720 B · 2 downloads MFD_plt_right_init.lua 724 B · 2 downloads

an this in : D:\DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\AH-64D\Cockpit\Scripts\Displays\MFD\indicator

 

 

 

example i can put all 4 MFDs where i want them

 

 

And the most important it does not come into conflict with other modules and it passes the IC

now I look if it is possible that when you change the seat also only these screens are displayed

 

 

And that is what is wanted here, or?

 

Thanks! It was worth a try. Even though our edits to the indicators/lua files are very similar, I decided to copy your files exactly as attached and updated to your custom names LEFT_Pilot and RIGHT_Pilot to see if there was any difference.

Unfortunately even with your lua edits the LEFT_MFCD and RIGHT_MFCD still override the LEFT_Pilot and RIGHT_Pilot viewports, because my x/y/width/height are exactly the same position since I only have 2 LCDs.

To prove the lua setup and monitor config is correct, I ran a separate test with LEFT_MFCD and RIGHT_MFCD commented out in the monitor config. The second photo shows them displaying correctly... so everything is setup correct in terms of paths/lua/files etc. The only issue is the bug with CPG views in the default MFD viewports overriding any custom viewport.

We can't really use your Monitor Config file as a good example because your screen outputs are all over the place, they are all in different positions. The use case for us is that the 2 screens are always in the same position.

The only reason the LEFT_MFCD (Copilots) is not overriding your LEFT_Pilot is because your monitor config file places them in a totally different position on the virtual screen. Most of us can't do this because we want to put the Apache Pilot MFDs in the same position as the default MFD viewports. Not sure why you've got them in other positions, maybe you have alot of screens?

I've made a modification to your Monitor Config file to ensure your standard LEFT_MFCD and RIGHT_MFCD are now in the same position as your apache pilot MFDs - can you please test that out and confirm you're seeing the same issue as us?

 

PHOTO1 - this monitor config still has LEFT_MFCD and RIGHT_MFCD in there (not commented out). This prevents the pilot displays from showing because they are in the same position on the screen

 

PHOTO2 - this monitor config has commented out LEFT_MFCD and RIGHT_MFCD so that they do not interfere with the Pilots display export. If you use the same X/Y coordinates, commenting out these in the MonitorConfig is the only way to get it to work.

All Setting 1.lua

MonitorConfig - photo2 working.lua MonitorConfig - photo1 NOTworking.lua

Edited March 18, 2022 by DanDegen

[Bunny Clark]

I've submitted a bug report for this here: 

 

1 hour ago, Hobel said:

Exactly, but the MFDs still overlaps.
I'm trying to figure out that DCS can distinguish between pilot and co-pilot. and show us the correct MFDs.

Unfortunately I'm afraid there are two different things going on here. 

There appears to be a bug making it impossible to assign unique viewports for the pilot and copilot's displays. That will, hopefully, get fixed. But, DCS determining which seat you're in and exporting the correct displays only for that seat is not something I'm sure DCS is set up to do right now. That may be a new feature that needs to be written. We haven't had a multicrew aircraft with MFDs like this in DCS yet - my guess is if you exported the Tomcat Pilot's VDI and RIO's TID to the same viewport you would have the same problem, though I've not tested that. It should be possible to create 4 unique viewports for the two pilot displays and two copilot displays and place them in separate areas without blowing up LEFT_MPCD and RIGHT_MPCD. But creating two viewports that dynamically show whichever displays for the seat you are currently occupying may be a more difficult task. 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Bunny Clark

[Hobel]

23 minutes ago, DanDegen said:

I've made a modification to your Monitor Config file to ensure your standard LEFT_MFCD and RIGHT_MFCD are now in the same position as your apache pilot MFDs - can you please test that out and confirm you're seeing the same issue as us?

I have it the same way

That was just an example that it is possible.

The coordinates for the correct positions must already enter everyone itself

 

23 minutes ago, DanDegen said:

Unfortunately even with your lua edits the LEFT_MFCD and RIGHT_MFCD still override the LEFT_Pilot and RIGHT_Pilot viewports, because my x/y/width/height are exactly the same position since I only have 2 LCDs.

yes the problem still needs to be solved

i also have only 2 and use the same representation as you do

 

Take a look at the AV8 Harrier.

there you can show and hide exports by keystroke, that had to be transferred to the Apache. so you would have at least ingame a quick way to circumvent the problem of overlapping.

Edited March 18, 2022 by Hobel

[TAIPAN_]

2 minutes ago, Hobel said:

I have it the same way

That was just an example that it is possible.

The coordinates for the correct positions must already enter everyone itself

 

So the whole time you knew it didn't work?

From your posts I thought you were trying to say that it should work if only we looked closely enough...

 

4 minutes ago, Hobel said:

i also have only 2 and use the same representation as you do

 

So in your normal setup, i.e not the example setup, it also doesn't work for you to have one config file.

I wish you'd told us this at the start it would have saved me alot of explaining!

 

There's something funny with the Apache files. For the F-5 I'm fully able to rename the exports and switch the screens around and there's no hidden exports overwriting anything. I just rename them and it's done. But with the apache it seems the viewport for the CPG will always be sent to LEFT_MFCD and RIGHT_MFCD even when renamed. Hopefully ED can advise or at least swap the priority so that the Pilot is the primary export instead of the CPG..

[FZG_Immel]

Same issue here guy. I tried everything and it doesnt work.

 

if we cant have the correct MFD's in the correct seat, I would rather want to have the Pilots MFDs as a default export.

 

What I manage though, was to have the displays of the CPG in the pilot Screen and vice versa.. unfortunately, all buttons still where acting to their true display.

[TAIPAN_]

24 minutes ago, Bunny Clark said:

There appears to be a bug making it impossible to assign unique viewports for the pilot and copilot's displays. That will, hopefully, get fixed. But, DCS determining which seat you're in and exporting the correct displays only for that seat is not something I'm sure DCS is set up to do right now. That may be a new feature that needs to be written. We haven't had a multicrew aircraft with MFDs like this in DCS yet - my guess is if you exported the Tomcat Pilot's VDI and RIO's TID to the same viewport you would have the same problem, though I've not tested that. It should be possible to create 4 unique viewports for the two pilot displays and two copilot displays and place them in separate areas without blowing up LEFT_MPCD and RIGHT_MPCD. But creating two viewports that dynamically show whichever displays for the seat you are currently occupying may be a more difficult task. 

 

Thanks for the bug report.

Regarding Multicrew exports and the Tomcat, it seems to be coded slightly differently but works really well exactly as I want it to work actually..

I setup my exports and I'm able to see the same exports from both the front seat and the back seat, whereas the Apache the TADs will only export when I switch the the front seat. When I switch back to the pilot seat the TADs disappears.  Maybe it's cheating but I can see some of the RIO screens from my front seat.

See photos front seat and back seat I've got the same setup so I can jump seats and still see what's going on

 

 

Edited March 18, 2022 by DanDegen

[Hobel]

11 minutes ago, DanDegen said:

So the whole time you knew it didn't work?

From your posts I thought you were trying to say that it should work if only we looked closely enough...

then we have probably misunderstood something or I you.
but I have already mentioned at the top of the page that it does not work for me either ^^

[deyv]

Anyone knows if PIlot seat MPDs have "default" name for viewports? Like MFCD is related to most aircrafts in Apache seems it works for gunner's MPDs only, not for Pilot ones (while Im in pilot seat I see on my viewports gunners MPDs)... is this a bug or since its 2 seated requires different "name"?

EDIT:

Ok my topic was moved to this one... thanks... I will follow this one

Edited March 21, 2022 by deyv
Topic moved

[JIGGAwest]

 

[Flipper]

On 3/18/2022 at 6:32 AM, DanDegen said:

It's not good to remove LEFT_MFCD and RIGHT_MFCD from monitor.cfg because it affects other aircraft that use these, ie the A10C, Hornet etc...

If you do this then we need to change monitor config every time we switch aircraft... so far I've got all the modules working with a single monitor config EXCEPT the Apache unfortunately  Hopefully ED patches it to have separate viewport names.

 

Regarding the TADS - it will export, I have put it on my Center LCD screen:

1. Edit the file E:\DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\AH-64D\Cockpit\Scripts\Displays\TEDAC\TEDAC_init.lua

2. Add these two lines to the end of the file:

dofile(LockOn_Options.common_script_path.."ViewportHandling.lua")
try_find_assigned_viewport("AH64_TEDAC")

3. Add an entry in your monitorconfig to read from the AH64_TEDAC viewport.

 

ISSUE - once doing this the in-game TEDAC will have a sort of double-vision ghosting

Maybe someone who knows the LUA can figure out how to prevent the added viewport from messing up the in-game view?

Has anyone a working idea for the TEDAC-export on a second monitor?

[JIGGAwest]

20 hours ago, DanDegen said:

 the Apache the TADs will only export when I switch the the front seat. When I switch back to the pilot seat the TADs disappears.  

 

Are you saying your exports work correctly for front seat and back seat? 

 

Can you share you monitor config Lua or show us the code that made it work?

[bones1014]

Yep I'm in the same boat as everyone else. I can see the pilot left screen exported but the copilot right overrides anything I try to do to export the pilot right display.

[Hobel]

 

7 hours ago, Flipper said:

Has anyone a working idea for the TEDAC-export on a second monitor?

yes I look times and write here then

 

 

D:\DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\AH-64D\Cockpit\Scripts\Displays\TEDAC

 

TEDAC_init.lua

Edited March 19, 2022 by Hobel

[bones1014]

while piloting with the copilot MFCD's exported (which is wrong) I saw something strange floating around the cockpit. any idea what it is? I don't think it's part of any HMD or anything. maybe something to do with attempting to export the MFDs

Edited March 19, 2022 by bones1014

[Hobel]

1 minute ago, bones1014 said:

while piloting with the copilot MFCD's exported (which is wrong) I saw something strange floating around the cockpit. any idea what it is?

yes a kind of display bug,  why, no idea, but there is also with other modules with exports.

[JIGGAwest]

2 hours ago, Hobel said:

 

yes I look times and write here then

 

 

D:\DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\AH-64D\Cockpit\Scripts\Displays\TEDAC

 

TEDAC_init.lua 1.06 kB · 1 download

 

you are not getting the double TEDAC inside the cpg cockpit?

Edited March 19, 2022 by JIGGAwest

[Hobel]

56 minutes ago, JIGGAwest said:

you are not getting the double TEDAC inside the cpg cockpit?

 

I have checked again.
what the hell, I also have.

[TAIPAN_]

9 hours ago, JIGGAwest said:

you are not getting the double TEDAC inside the cpg cockpit?

 

Yeah this is what I posted early in the discussion, when you add the export it gives ghosting - but only in the main window not on the export.

18 hours ago, JIGGAwest said:

Are you saying your exports work correctly for front seat and back seat? 

 

Can you share you monitor config Lua or show us the code that made it work?

Only the TADs/TEDAC changes when switching seats, meaning in the front seat it's exported then switch to back seat and the export stops as expected.

For the MFDs, it exports constantly regardless of which seat you are in. The only way to export the pilot MFDs is to create a new export coordinate that is not written to by any other export.

[Flipper]

Thanks for the TEDAC_init! Will check it...

Ok: I can confirm, that the ingame TEDAC-monitor is ghosting - but the exported picture on my 8" Monitor is ok!

So, thats what I want, a working export for the moment.

Thanks!

Edited March 20, 2022 by Flipper