The F-35 Thread

[hitman]

I love how he talks about the US all the time but he lives in Texas :megalol:

I think he should move to Ethiopia. Those guys. Those guys have it easy over there, man...better yet, Mexico! I hear Chihuahua and Tijuana are the new "hotspots" in the country. Take a stroll on down to El Paso.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

It's completely different. Even just the physical memory required to effectively tolerate and combat G. Not something pilots should be unfamiliar with when asked to perform outside of the training environment. Simulators cannot and will not for the foreseeable future replicate the complexity of real world operations.

Well, if pilots need to pull some G's, they can try it in Su-31. Did you know that +12/-10 "capability" of this airplane is only physiological. In other words, Su-31 can take much more that that and can not be structurally damaged due to high G's ...

 

Take a fleet of Su-31's put some buttons, switches or a glass panel in a cockpit and get the pilots to do stuff under high, very high indeed, G's. It would cost hundreds of times, hundreds of millions of dollars cheaper then doing the same F-35.

[aaron886]

We aren't in Serbia anymore, Toto.

 

I don't think you're understanding any of us. I appreciate that you are thinking like a fiscal conservative, but your numbers are out of whack. I'm as concerned about the economy and runaway debt as you are, believe me.

[Phantom88]

The F-35 2011 Year in review

 

[MustangSally]

Did you know that +12/-10 "capability" of this airplane is only physiological. In other words, Su-31 can take much more that that and can not be structurally damaged due to high G's ...

 

 

You know this how?? So you where on the design team for the 31 or have real world maintenance experiance??

Edited January 27, 2012 by MustangSally

[mvsgas]

Click on images to enlarge

 

 

120120-D-BW835-019 PATUXENT RIVER, Md. (Jan. 20, 2012) Secretary of Defense Leon E. Panetta and Congressman Steny Hoyer (D-Md) are shown the engine of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter by Captain (USN) Erik "Rock" Etz at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland. Secretary Panetta and Congressman Hoyer toured several facilities related to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter which is in its test phases at Pax River. (DoD Photo by Erin A. Kirk-Cuomo/Released)

 

 

120120-D-BW835-017 PATUXENT RIVER, Md. (Jan. 20, 2012) Secretary of Defense Leon E. Panetta and Congressman Steny Hoyer (D-Md) are shown the cockpit of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter by Captain (USN) Erik "Rock" Etz at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland. Secretary Panetta and Congressman Hoyer toured several facilities related to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter which is in its test phases at Pax River. (DoD Photo by Erin A. Kirk-Cuomo/Released)

Edited January 29, 2012 by mvsgas

[mvsgas]

[Phantom88]

Fantastic pics Thanks! That's an interesting Throttle the F-35 has.

[tflash]

Interesting quote from: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/02/116_104306.html

 

"Randy Howard, Lockheed Martin’s director of the Korea F-35 Campaign, also acknowledged that the external carriage may come as an option for Korea.

 

“Lockheed Martin did not cancel it, the U.S. government prioritized it,” Howard said, explaining why doubts have been raised over the development of the F-35’s external hard points.

 

“The F-35 is designed to carry weapons internally. That’s what it does, and that’s why it is stealthy.”

 

He argued that the F-35’s primary attribute, the ability to penetrate into the enemy’s territory without being detected, will be significantly compromised if Korea chooses to mount weapons externally.

 

“If you carry weapons externally, you are not stealthy. That’s not normally how you are going to operate F-35s,” he said.

 

Not that I am wiling to overestimate this, but it seems a departure from the previous perception that the F-35 would be stealthy on first-day-of-war, and once air opposition degraded, would be loaded with external payload for more traditional tasks. It now seems the new capabilities will be the core mission and perhaps also the basic way to deal with any mission. The classic missions will in that case be redefined in a "5th generation" way.

 

In that sense the F-35 does'nt "replace" 4th gen aircraft, but it will in the long run redefine air combat and make these 4th gen systems and the approach they are based on obsolete. We are definitely talking late 2000twenties then.

[mvsgas]

[swift]

[aaron886]

 

BLARGHARGHAAARGHARGHHAAARGH!

[Phantom88]

F-35B(STOL) Gets External Weapon Hard Points and 25mm Centerline Gun Pod

[topol-m]

I wonder what max speed is this aircraft capable of with weapons mounted on all pylons.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

There goes stealth ...

 

F-35B(STOL) Gets External Weapon Hard Points and 25mm Centerline Gun Pod

[GGTharos]

M1.2~1.4 maybe?

 

I wonder what max speed is this aircraft capable of with weapons mounted on all pylons.

[GGTharos]

Not needed after day 1 operations. The concept is that the internal bay is used to 'kick down the door' in 'day one' operations, so stealth is preserved. After the task is accomplished, you stick the pylons on and haul more ordnance if/as required. This is neither new, nor interesting, nor shocking - it is how the concept of the aircraft was originally envisioned.

 

Besides, nothing is stopping them from making LO or VLO pylons/weapon pods, thus preserving most stealth. Even if not, it is likely that the return from those pylons will raise it from VLO to 'just LO' like EF, Rafale, Su-35, F-18E etc.

 

There goes stealth ...

Edited February 24, 2012 by GGTharos

[RvETito]

 

[Vekkinho]

^^^^

Not bad at all!

[Krunkskimo]

In my opionion Lockheed knew about the tailhook problem but knew the government wouldnt possibly be able to identify it. Once they made all they could off the government they then said "oh hey this doesnt work right! We'll need another 100 million contract modification to get this tail hook correct." government gives them a change order, and lockheed gets to sit on their ass for 10 more years rakeing the dough.

 

After what they went through with the P-80 and S-3 viking Lockheed should have known everything tailhook related. They could could of written a tail hook bible or two by the time the began designing the F-35.

[topol-m]

M1.2~1.4 maybe?

 

I thought it's max speed was Mach 1.6, so isn't M1.4 too much?

 

Another thing, is pylons jettison still viable, I remember reading (long time ago) that the pilot can jettison the external pylons if an immediate threat requires him to make use of the aircraft's full stealth capabilities?

[Pilotasso]

The prototypes already exceeded mach 1.6. The final production models might get specification higher than mach 1.6. This speed is only the required goal. Not the limit.

[tflash]

Training at Eglin within a month?

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/25/lockheed-fighter-idUSL2E8DP08Y20120225

 

That will be a great milestone, then it gets very real indeed!

[topol-m]

What are these and why is 6) covered/uncovered on different pics?

 

[Antartis]

What are these and why is 6) covered/uncovered on different pics?

 

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For 6, sure APU exhaust. For the rest I have no idea.