tflash Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 I agree . Your point becomes very clear in this photo: Look how nimble the F-16 is compared to the F-35 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 I don't know, I can't tell how nimble it is without performance charts. Apparently the 35 outperforms it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Pilotasso Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 My point was rather that there is no aircraft of F-16 class anywhere. The f-35 is not a light fighter by any means. fighter gap? .
GGTharos Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 I don't think so ... to me it just looks like the usual evolution of things - the F-35 is the new light fighter. Weighs in about as much as an F-15. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
aaron886 Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Nobody can tell, and I don't think anyone has heard that it "outperforms" the F-16 from any reliable source. The F-16 is a standard of maneuverability in a light fighter and will probably remain that way for quite some time. It's right at the limit of the physical capability of a pilot, anyway. That said, I don't think the F-35 will be a slouch, and I have a good laugh at anyone who claims it will be less maneuverable than the Viper because it's "ugly."
tflash Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 I don't think so ... to me it just looks like the usual evolution of things - the F-35 is the new light fighter. Weighs in about as much as an F-15. Anyway it has long been established that the size of F-15 is about the right size for the given range. That is why the Hornet was stretched into the Super Hornet, and why the F-35 turns out to be bigger than F-16. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 A big driver for the weight is also the necessity for it to be an invader's aircraft. It has to bring everything it needs with it internally: Fuel, weapons, avionics both offensive and defensive. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Cali Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Where is the light weight fighter mafia? i7-4820k @ 3.7, Windows 7 64-bit, 16GB 1866mhz EVGA GTX 970 2GB, 256GB SSD, 500GB WD, TM Warthog, TM Cougar MFD's, Saitek Combat Pedals, TrackIR 5, G15 keyboard, 55" 4K LED
borchi_2b Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 they retired :-) http://www.polychop-sims.com
Cali Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 People are too scared now to do things like that. i7-4820k @ 3.7, Windows 7 64-bit, 16GB 1866mhz EVGA GTX 970 2GB, 256GB SSD, 500GB WD, TM Warthog, TM Cougar MFD's, Saitek Combat Pedals, TrackIR 5, G15 keyboard, 55" 4K LED
aaron886 Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Where is the light weight fighter mafia? Dead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Boyd_%28military_strategist%29 ;)
59th_LeFty Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 People are too scared now to do things like that. Too bad they'll have to do it one day, but who will be ready? [sIGPIC]http://www.forum.lockon.ru/signaturepics/sigpic5279_1.gif[/sIGPIC] I could shot down a Kitchen :smartass:
Vault Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Are the UK still planning to carry ASRAAM's on external pylons on the JSF? or did they scrap that idea?. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Cali Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Too bad they'll have to do it one day, but who will be ready? By that time it's all going to be Drones and UAV's i7-4820k @ 3.7, Windows 7 64-bit, 16GB 1866mhz EVGA GTX 970 2GB, 256GB SSD, 500GB WD, TM Warthog, TM Cougar MFD's, Saitek Combat Pedals, TrackIR 5, G15 keyboard, 55" 4K LED
swift Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Highlights from the Aug. 26, 2011 F-35A rollout ceremony at Eglin AFB, Fla. Eglin's 33rd fighter wing is home to pilot and maintainer training for the F-35 Lightning II.
Jona33 Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Are the UK still planning to carry ASRAAM's on external pylons on the JSF? or did they scrap that idea?. Think we are yeah. Presumably the ASRAAM's are small enough to be external without damaging the RCS (think that's right, anyone with a brain like to step in now :megalol:) Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing
aaron886 Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Well no not really, they would damage the RCS. Wait for all the "experts" on here to come in and try to tell you why, but suffice to say it's added surface area and quite angular.
mvsgas Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 Anything on the outside adds to RCS. A single panel not covered in LO, will change the RCS. I'm no expert, but would assume any weapons loaded outside would have a huge impact in the level of stealth. Why would the AIM-132 require to be carried externally only? To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
tflash Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 You would need lock after launch capability, but I thought the Asraam has precisely that. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 It does, and soon so will the 9X, if not already. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Jona33 Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 If I remember wiki (yeah wiki, I know :)) the seeker in the 9x and the ASRAAM is the same. But hey I was wrong last time and will probably be wrong again. Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing
mvsgas Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 Maybe the bays in F-35 will have rails that would extend the missile into the airstream. I haven't seen one picture of the bays open clearly enough to know if they will have rails. That s what the 22 does with its AIM-9 bays. Now that I mention, does anyone has a photos of a 22 with AIM-9X loaded? To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Pilotasso Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 Its not integrated yet, neither is the helmet mounted sight. There are plans for those though. .
aaron886 Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 ...neither is the helmet mounted sight. :doh:
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